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Well Ashdoes, I'm a bisquick bidscuit maker, can't help.

Was out today watching my little flock of 8: 1 BA, 1 (bully) GLW, 2 Wellies, 2 BR's, 2 Doms & 2.....wait a minute. I have 10 chickens. Hmmmm, oh yeah, I have a flock of 8, and then these 2 fraidy cat, chicken livered EEs. One of the EEs, #24, brown with a black head, so cute, looks like a little eagle sorta, well she obviously WANTS to be part of the flock. Hangs around the edges, and when the bully GLW isn't around, even intermingles somewhat. When I put treats out, she stays about 2 feet away, and if she can see an open area, darts in and grabs something, then runs away, so maybe someday I'll have a flock of 9.

Unfortunately, the other EE, #22 a pretty yellow/gray has totally given up on being part of the flock. She sometimes hangs out with #24, but only if #24 has separated herself completely from the flock. When I put out treats, #24 won't come any closer than 5', can't be enticed to get anywhere near the group. Usually she goes to an entirely different part of the run. If any other birds come near her, she runs. Even tho the only one that's really mean to her is that blasted bully GLW. She is also afraid of me. Even if I'm away from the flock and holding out treats just for her, or even standing over treats I have laid on the ground just for her, she won't come near.

I try not to make pets out of my birds, to understand that they have to make their own way, have to work within the flock dynamics, but I'm really starting to feel bad for this poor lonely bird. I had to take the bar in front of the nesting boxes down cuz she was roosting there at night by herself rather than with the other birds. Now she's on the same roost, but not close to any of the others.

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This is heart-wrenching. My RIR is a bully too, and the one she grew up with, the Blue Cochin, has learned all she has to do is look in the direction of the smallest Sussex and she will scramble away - the little one happens to also be one of the sisters with no tail (so far). Until the Sussex Sisters get enough body weight that they can't fly quite so well, I have not allowed them out to free range, but I keep hoping once they get to do so things might even out a bit more, partly because the sisters will be bigger and partly because they will gain more confidence. I truly understand the conflict between your brain telling you this is how nature works, and sometimes there is a bully and an outcast and each has to learn to fend for herself; and your heart as a chicken mama who wants all her hatchlings to be happy and healthy and fully engaged in the group dynamics. I have read one can sometimes alter the flock mentality by allowing those less confident to take over the run or the yard by removing the more dominant birds and confining them for a time, then letting them back in with the group, but I have not seen any real difference when I have tried that. I wonder if you might be doing your shy girl (or girls) a favor by locating someone only wanting a couple of chickens and starting over with new EEs. I don't know if this is a common trait for EEs, seems I have read they have widely varying personalities, with some lines very flighty and nervous and others not so much.

I am also interested in hearing how you decide to proceed with your ducks I saw a picture of black silkie bantam ducks last summer and fell in love, but until I have a really solid plan for how to keep them I can't even consider adding ducks. Have you at least benefited from improved baked goods using their eggs? I wonder if there's a heated dog bowl large enough to satisfy their water needs during winter - DH just read to me earlier tonight that Big R is having a Saturday and Sunday only sale which includes 50% off heated pet bowls.

ETA: Sorry, had you and Coloradogal combined into one person LOL - you don't have ducks!
 
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My little Arry is so very shy, I have to toss her the treats. She always hesitates to eat with the girls and only ever gets a little before she moves to a 'safer' distance. I just looked in on them and she is sleeping by herself. :( When they were chicks she was half there size so I think she developed a complex. None of my girls like to be held or touched but I worry about her.

On the plus side they just went digital, I have a little heat sensor in the cage and a ceramic heater. My husband was home with them today and he put in the heat lamp since it was so cold and he told me that Menchi would go out and play in the rain for a bit then run in to the cage and heat up and then do it all over again...crazy bird.
 
My little Arry is so very shy, I have to toss her the treats. She always hesitates to eat with the girls and only ever gets a little before she moves to a 'safer' distance.
My little 'chicken' EE even runs from the treats when I toss them to her. I have to lay them down and walk away. And then try to keep the others from figuring out there are treats around the corner where they can't see them Hard to do when they follow me everywhere.

I have read one can sometimes alter the flock mentality by allowing those less confident to take over the run or the yard by removing the more dominant birds and confining them for a time, then letting them back in with the group, but I have not seen any real difference when I have tried that. I wonder if you might be doing your shy girl (or girls) a favor by locating someone only wanting a couple of chickens and starting over with new EEs. I don't know if this is a common trait for EEs, seems I have read they have widely varying personalities, with some lines very flighty and nervous and others not so much.
I'm considering separating the GLW for awhile. Just have to figure out how I'm going to do it. I'm also considering rehoming. Just not the EEs. If I rehome, it will be the darn bully GLW. She's not even top pullet. Just bullies the 2 younger ones. The other girls put her in her place if she tries it with them.
 
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My little 'chicken' EE even runs from the treats when I toss them to her. I have to lay them down and walk away. And then try to keep the others from figuring out there are treats around the corner where they can't see them Hard to do when they follow me everywhere.

Yea I know as soon as mine figure out I have tossed her treats they go for them and then she walks away. Arry is a SL, so I don't know if that matters at all.
 
My little 'chicken' EE even runs from the treats when I toss them to her. I have to lay them down and walk away. And then try to keep the others from figuring out there are treats around the corner where they can't see them Hard to do when they follow me everywhere.

I'm considering separating the GLW for awhile. Just have to figure out how I'm going to do it. I'm also considering rehoming. Just not the EEs. If I rehome, it will be the darn bully GLW. She's not even top pullet. Just bullies the 2 younger ones. The other girls put her in her place if she tries it with them.

It would be interesting to see what happened once the GLW wasn't among them. I just assumed she was top pullet. From a purely how-nature-works perspective, the thing I worry about when one is being picked on is the potential for hidden (from us) weakness; a flock, pack, or herd of anything will always strive to remain healthy and able to defend against or escape a predator, and will put the weakest member in a sink-or-swim position. The weakest will often respond by remaining at a distance but near enough to benefit (as much as possible) from the safety of the group. In this case, though, since the GLW has also attempted to pick on the others, it very likely is purely a question of self confidence and, as you describe, of her being a bully. If it is possible, I wonder if you could put the GLW in a chicken wire enclosure within or next to the area the rest occupy to try and break the pattern of behavior while still in full view and earshot of one another, so the EEs had a chance to integrate more and the GLW was prevented from picking at them while still largely being part of the flock.
 
Sharon,

The Doms integrated OK right? Two of our remaining EEs, the yellow pair, are the most flighty of the flock. They are always on the "edges" of the flock. They are always together roosting on the rafters as well, though there is SO much space in the hen house that it would be hard to have "issues" in there. The dark brown EE is still a little pushy, but with so much room and so many, she hasn't been a problem. The Doms are still, for the most part, very sociably and mellow.

What IS funny about my flock, is how the little single comb Dom pullet, #30 and also #43 have become the boss hens. They will even puff up and posture with the Narragansett turkey jake, to the point that even he will go another direction. He is 4 times as big as they are! He is such a scaredy-cat.

We got a soft shelled egg yesterday. Which means another has started laying. (this one was under the roost. She probably didn't even realize it was an egg)

Sharon and Mayah: have any of your Dom pullets you got from me started yet?

I got a buyer for cockerel #8. I am also seeing a chicken dish in #17's future, with him playing a starring role.......
 
Sharon, The Doms integrated OK right? Two of our remaining EEs, the yellow pair, are the most flighty of the flock. They are always on the "edges" of the flock. They are always together roosting on the rafters as well, though there is SO much space in the hen house that it would be hard to have "issues" in there. The dark brown EE is still a little pushy, but with so much room and so many, she hasn't been a problem. The Doms are still, for the most part, very sociably and mellow. What IS funny about my flock, is how the little single comb Dom pullet, #30 and also #43 have become the boss hens. They will even puff up and posture with the Narragansett turkey jake, to the point that even he will go another direction. He is 4 times as big as they are! He is such a scaredy-cat. We got a soft shelled egg yesterday. Which means another has started laying. (this one was under the roost. She probably didn't even realize it was an egg) Sharon and Mayah: have any of your Dom pullets you got from me started yet? I got a buyer for cockerel #8. I am also seeing a chicken dish in #17's future, with him playing a starring role.......
Wendell, the Doms have integrated well. There is an occasional (that's not yours, it's mine) peck from the older girls, but no more than they give to anyone when food is involved. The GLW is mean to them also, but not nearly as much and they don't run from her, just quietly move away. They will give up a dust bathing spot for her, but not for any of the other pullets. They are also my most sociable, mellow pullets. Very friendly, altho getting a little less so. I haven't seen anything that I think is an egg from them. Haven't seen them in the nest boxes, but I do see them looking in. And they are in and out of the coop more than they used to be. Also have taken to standing at the coop door a lot when one of the layers is in there making me breakfast. #39 now has the body structure I expect for a layer and #44 is fast behind her.

LOL the EEs are still kinda lanky, if you know what I mean.
 
I know what you mean. I haven't seen any reddening of the combs or wattles yet either in the EE's. Lots of action though amongst the Doms. Thickening hind-quarters, red wattles and combs, lots of typical female group trips to the nest boxes together, etc....

I imagine it goes something like this....

......Oh Clucky, are you getting that feeling? ME TOO! lets go together... Oh can I come too? Sure, lets have a party while we're at it!
 
I know what you mean. I haven't seen any reddening of the combs or wattles yet either in the EE's. Lots of action though amongst the Doms. Thickening hind-quarters, red wattles and combs, lots of typical female group trips to the nest boxes together, etc.... I imagine it goes something like this.... ......Oh Clucky, are you getting that feeling? ME TOO! lets go together... Oh can I come too? Sure, lets have a party while we're at it!
LOL. Actually my CHICKEN EE is getting a very red comb. Don't even know how she's going to get the nerve to appropriate a nest box. Probably will lay on the floor or outside.

On another note, I think I'm about to set my chickens free in what's left of the garden. Have to cover the strawberries and surround the asparagus so they don't eat those first. I built the coop/garden so that the gates to each are directly opposite each other, thinking I could open each gate (they open in opposition to each other, which would then just create a walkway from one to another. Once again my lack of construction skills and planning are obvious in the fact that they don't QUITE meet the fencelines. So I'm gonna have to patch in about a 4" gap between each fence and gate. Not too bad tho. More worried that my dogs, who are used to running in between garden and coop will be able to break in thru the weak spots. I'll have to think about that a little.
 
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Ah building projects...... it's SO much fun!


I will be picking up the lumber to finish the processing shelter within a week. Then I have 19 cockerels to process. At this point they aren't growing much and are now just eating and costing me money. The sooner the better.


Cockerel #23 is actually finishing out better than cockerel #11. #11 looks awesome, but he has a huge somewhat stocky body and his comb is a little large, and I'm afraid that if I breed him to the Cackle pullets (who's brothers all have MASSIVE combs) that I will just be perpetuating this trait. So for now, #11 can think he is the "Cock of the Walk", but it will probably be #23 that gets to go to the breeding pen in the spring......
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#23 is a little leaner, taller, and has a finer comb. Good hackle color too!
 

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