You can go to my web page on here and see my line of birds. They are big, have pretty good type and color. There are very few good Columbian Wyandottes that meet the standard. Those you get from the commercial hatcheries are just that commercial, small birds with a lot of technical problems, wrong body shape, poor tails, extremely tight feathering, but mainly inverted spikes. Three different times over the 30 years of raising Columbians using a different hatchery each time I would ordered in 25 pullets. Last year I kept 2 all the others had inverted spikes. What a huge waste of my money. Same for the 5 males. This tells me that the flock that all of the hatcheries get their birds from do not care to cull out for defects. I am not sure but all of the major hatcheries do drop shipments of this breed so that makes me think they are using the same flock for all of the hatcheries. If I am wrong I sure would like to know who has the good ones. I have seen a couple of good pictures that people have said they purchased from a commercial hatchery but they did not say which hatchery they received them from. Duane Urch's hatchery birds in MN should be fairly good quality. He is a quality breeders or really tries to be from the chicks I have received from him in the past. Paul's in FL looked like he had good ones but then when I went to order in some they had sold the flock off.