Could she have impacted crop?

Wynette

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Hey, friends. I've got a 1 1/2 yr. old EE hen that I think "may" have impacted crop but I'm not sure. Reason I'm not sure is that it's not that large. I spent hours last night and this morning reading over many threads on BYC, and found some info. online, including this:

Give the bird a drink of warm water and then rub the crop gently. Hold the bird’s head upside down and squeeze the crop so that the liquid and obstruction can run out. If successful let the bird drink water freely and restrict feed for 24 hours.
Give the bird warm water containing epsom salts or bicarbonate of soda (1 teaspoon to a pint of water). Hold the bird’s head upside down and squeeze the crop gently. The salt/soda should make the bird sick and therefore dislodge the obstruction. This procedure should only be done once a day. If successful let the bird drink water freely.
Give the bird some caster oil or mineral oil in warm water or using an eye dropper and then rub the crop. Hold the bird’s head upside down and squeeze the crop gently so that the obstruction can run out with the liquid. If successful let the bird drink water freely and restrict feed for 24 hours.
If the obstruction is making it difficult for the bird to swallow and it cannot be dislodged, then veterinary advice could be sought.

The details of my girl: I had noticed she hasn't been laying eggs, not for probably 10 days, and I thought she was lightly molting as several are now. Then Tuesday evening, I noticed she was a bit slower than the others and just didn't look as lively. Wednesday morning, I grabbed her out of the coop before I opened it up for the day, and right away found that her crop was full. But, again, it's not large. Like maybe the size of about 1/2 a golf ball. It's squishable, but pretty hard, and feels gritty. I feed pelleted feed, and their crops typically DO feel gritty, so I don't think it's that she's eaten too much grit or small stones. I massaged her crop and put her in a crate with water and some ACV (with mother) in it, but no food. I thought surely by the time I got home from work, her crop would have emptied, but it had not. It did feel a tiny bit smaller, and she had drank some water (maybe 1/8 cup), and I did see two very small poops in her crate. I gave her probably 5ccs of olive oil via syringe, she took it all, and I massaged her crop quite a bit more. The crop felt much less squishy. By 10 p.m. (4 hrs. later) when I checked on her, it seems like the oil had passed through, but not the food (assuming it's food). So I gave more olive oil and massaged more, and left her with no food, just water.

This morning, same thing. Crop was VERY firm, but squishable. It MAY have been a tiny bit smaller. I gave her about 6ccs of olive oil before work and massaged quite a bit longer and more firmly than I did yesterday, and I offered her about 1/4 cup of yogurt, which she happily ate right up. She's quite peppy and, in fact, almost escaped when I removed her this morning from the crate. Also, I do not smell any foul odor from her mouth (and I put my nose right down practically into her beak).

In all my researching, I cannot find the answers to these questions:

1) could this be impacted crop, even though it's fairly small?
2) if so, what does the size mean, if anything?
3) MUST I try to induce vomitting, as indicated in the one website that I quoted above?
4) if she IS, in fact, impacted and since it's small, should this easily resolve? How long should it take?
5) how much olive oil can I give at one time? I was leery to give more than 4-6ccs at once, but could easily give more as she's a willing patient.
6) should I continue as I'm doing, add more olive oil, try to induce her to vomit, feed yogurt....and regarding the yogurt, can I give free choice, or should I be only giving her small amounts?
7) is there anything else I should be feeding her?
8) should I be giving poly vi sol or anything else?

THANKS so much for the feedback.
 
1) could this be impacted crop, even though it's fairly small?

Don't think so, but hens love having their crops massaged so she probably adores you now

2) if so, what does the size mean, if anything?

Sounds normal, oil will not hurt her but I would never turn a hen upside down lest she aspirate some liquid into her lungs. I know there are some very experienced owners who have done this with success, but it scares the heebie-jeebies out of me

3) MUST I try to induce vomitting, as indicated in the one website that I quoted above?

No.

4) if she IS, in fact, impacted and since it's small, should this easily resolve? How long should it take?

You'd be better off offering this bird, and the others, some wild bird suet, which greases the crop and prevents impaction for the most part. It can take up to 10 days, 5 intensive, to resolve a crop issue.

5) how much olive oil can I give at one time? I was leery to give more than 4-6ccs at once, but could easily give more as she's a willing patient.

About 5 ml= 5 cc is right, more or less.

6) should I continue as I'm doing, add more olive oil, try to induce her to vomit, feed yogurt....and regarding the yogurt, can I give free choice, or should I be only giving her small amounts?

I'd offer the yogurt mixed with her layer ration to keep the calories going in and so that most of it doesn't end up on the wall, and you.

7) is there anything else I should be feeding her?

See above regarding wild bird suet

8) should I be giving poly vi sol or anything else?

If you offer vitamins (no added iron) it helps all birds in summer heat because they give off so much moisture and dehydrate quickly.

Some other thoughts here-

https://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=7693-sick-hen

And keep in mind that unless you are sure what is happening, it is better to maintain regular care and generally beneficial actions until the problem becomes clearer. She may have ceased laying in response to the heat. I'm assuming she is getting the proper layer ration, grit and calcium. Diagnosis in hens is a very skilled process, and I congratulate you for your concern and progress!
 
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Thanks so much, LynneP. I appreciate your feedback!

There's definitely something amiss with this girl; when I took her from the coop first thing yesterday morning, her crop was full. I don't know if this automatically means "impaction" or not. If it's not impaction, what could it be?
 
I agree, I'd be very unlikely to induce vomiting unless I felt it was last-ditch effort time, because of the risk of aspiration.

From what I've read, LOTS of massage is part of the key, perhaps over several days.

Have you tried offering a bit of bread soaked in olive oil? Might help to push whatever it is on through.

Any feed I gave would be soaked in water or another liquid, for several days.

Trouble with yogurt is they don't digest milk very well. A little is fine, for the bacteria.

You also might try some baby food applesauce mixed into a bit of feed.

I'd keep up with the ACV, too.

Might look around under sour crop rather than impacted, even though you don't smell that sourness. If stuff has been stuck in there a while, I don't see how it can NOT be sour by now.
 
Thanks, ddawn - good idea on checking under sour crop rather than impacted. I did not do that. You're right, if there's been food in there for several days, as I believe there has been, it very well could be sour crop or a yeast infection (?) by now.

She's lost quite a bit of weight, too. But, she's feisty...so far.
 
The problem might be at the base of the crop then. Could be a big piece of grit or small stone. Try lifting the crop after giving her calories in the form of oil or yogurt and see if the liquid will pass underneath the mass. This matters because IF it is a stone, it needs a few days to dissolve, and hens can do this, especially if they have a slightly acidic water source, such as 1-2 Tbsp apple cider vinegar in drinking water ( doesn't matter in this case if it's organic or has the 'mother'). Another thing that acts with a hen's digestive juices to dissolves things like that is tomato juice, applesauce, grated cucumber or fresh diced tomatoes. But use your cupped hand to lift the base of the crop many times as you offer what she will take, and you should be able to hear and feel the liquid getting past the mass. The fact that she is going light is a serious indicator of a blockage at the start of the digestive tract.

When she is cured, get some wild bird suet in with her, it does wonder for keeping the crop active.

You can smell sour crop, by the way- no need to explain, if the smell is there you can't miss it. The acidic feeds also are preventive for the fungus that causes sour crop. No yogurt though, if you smell sour crop.
 
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Lynne, I did sort of do that last night...I followed the bulge down with my fingertips to below where I could feel the grittiness, and followed it down as far as I could feel, but I may have missed something.

Would it help to syringe some ACV into her mouth by itself, or is it best to just leave in her water? The water cup in the cage she's sequestered to holds maybe 1/2 cup, and I put maybe 1 tsp. ACV in. Would this be about correct for dosage?

THANKS, ever so much, to both of you!
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That dosage is fine, and so long as she is drinking it's a good sign. Do you have any of those acidic foods to try. You instinctively lifed the mass for her, keep getting the food in, I found that long after Zipfi's impaction cleared there was a small mass, possibly even some inflamed tissue there. Your hen will get very attached to you now, for life!
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I'm pretty attached to her, LynneP, so if she returns the favor, I'll feel blessed!

Yes, I have some vine-ripened tomatoes, and also canned ones...probably fresh would be better since there are preservatives and way too much sodium in canned ones (I'm assuming). I'll cut one up in tiny pieces tonight & offer that to her. I'll probably go ahead & begin poly vi sol, as I do have that (no iron - yep!).

I've got an excellent poultry probiotic...I wonder, if I mised that in with some her ACV/water, if that would be good to syringe into her mouth along with the EVOO?
 
Wynette, I'd wait on the probiotic, until the ACV and other acids get the mass dissolved.

BTW, I meant to mention to watch her vent too, she probably isn't laying because of lack of calories, but crop probs and vent probs sometimes go hand in hand. But I think you have this under control, please let us know how things are going!
 

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