Coyotes killing everything, ever heard of this method to kill the predator?

[PDFarm]

I'm sure every dog as an individual can be different. We have a Maremma sheepdog to protect our sheep. He knows my dogs and doesn't bother them. I have border collies and actually work them on the sheep and he knows that's okay. He has a totally different attitude about any other dog, fox, etc. that wanders on the property.
Livestock guardian dogs really are better at their job if you are careful not to make too much of a pet of them. We had problems with ours after he had to spend some time in our house healing up after a bad copperhead bite. We spent a lot of time shooing him out of our yard and back porch after that incident. He did readjust and go back to his sheep. Like someone posted earlier, you shouldn't treat them badly, just don't make too big a fuss over them.

 

[rancher hicks]

Janjan , I too am sorry for your losses.

Can't see much sense in trapping live coyotes. What will you do with them afterward.

I also don't like "rehoming" predators of any kind cuz folks might do it in my back yard.

A permanent solution is best. AKA shoot to kill.

Now for me, and I'm not an advocate of peta and all that stuff, is to urinate around my property "marking" my territory. This is only for the men, as I don't think female urine will be much help.

I've even hung burlap on some trees to make sure they get a good soak. It does have to be "retreated" and I do it every time I'm out there and have to go, but so far no problems. We have wooded property so a walk into the woods doesn't hurt either.

If there are no men in the house have some male relatives or friends to it for you, or have them fill a container and pour it around.

Seems to me it's all very scientific. They sell coyote urine and fox urine so why not use human to ward off them.

I'm sure there are those who think this method is ridiculous but so far I've not lost a bird to a four legged predator and I have seen one fox in the area this spring.

I wish everyone well,

Rancher

 

[centrarchid]

With good fencing to keep roaming dogs out, you do not need a true livestock guarding dog, just one with ability to keep out wildlife. This means a pet dog will do just fine. I have never used proper LGD's but get exact same service from general farm dogs which are usually hunting breeds of some sort. In my free-range setting where fences do not always apply, multiple dogs on my side are used to repel multiple roaming dogs. OP's coyotes should be similar to mine so do not require a large dog to repel. Additionally the fence actually helps your dog do job because predators are going to see an obstacle (fence) with additional threat (dog) beyond it. Wildlife like to pick fights they can win easily.

 

[centrarchid]

Janjan , I too am sorry for your losses.

Can't see much sense in trapping live coyotes. What will you do with them afterward.

I also don't like "rehoming" predators of any kind cuz folks might do it in my back yard.

A permanent solution is best. AKA shoot to kill.

Now for me, and I'm not an advocate of peta and all that stuff, is to urinate around my property "marking" my territory. This is only for the men, as I don't think female urine will be much help.

I've even hung burlap on some trees to make sure they get a good soak. It does have to be "retreated" and I do it every time I'm out there and have to go, but so far no problems. We have wooded property so a walk into the woods doesn't hurt either.

If there are no men in the house have some male relatives or friends to it for you, or have them fill a container and pour it around.

Seems to me it's all very scientific. They sell coyote urine and fox urine so why not use human to ward off them.

I'm sure there are those who think this method is ridiculous but so far I've not lost a bird to a four legged predator and I have seen one fox in the area this spring.

I wish everyone well,

Rancher

I am a big testosterone loaded male human yet my urine does not repel coyotes or foxes although my dogs urine works great for coyotes. Foxes ignore dog urine.

 

[chooks4life]

Quote: Now I understand this may not be humain, but is ripping my babies apart either?
I think you're confusing all conservationists and those who respect an animal's rights with those rabidly anti-human-rights people who often do more harm than good for animals and the environment through their activism. I support stewardship of the planet but not at the expense of human rights; predators are often cruel, that's just the way it is.

As for whether or not it's 'humane' for a coyote to rip a live chicken apart, no, because it's an animal, so it's under no onus to be 'humane' to another animal.

It's a mother training her young to hunt and kill so they can survive; no it's not pretty, nor kind, nor something I think you should put up with, but it's 'nature' as they say. By all means shoot her and her babies, they ought not to be foolish enough to hunt a human's territory or livestock; but don't be cruel to a creature because you don't like its cruelty to its prey. I do appreciate however how aggravating it can be to see the mess a predator makes of your pets or livestock, and I totally support your need to kill the predators responsible. I'm not trying to condemn you, so please don't take it that way, I'm just explaining my stance on the issue which afflicts basically all livestock owners. An animal's cruelty does not provide justification for ours, difficult though it may be sometimes. Clean and swift kills, with minimum suffering, I believe to be a human responsibility to the animals we share the world with that we choose to stop sharing our immediate environment with, lol.

I use cats for rodent control and often intervene to make sure the rodents are out of their misery in short order, but won't consider using bait that gives them horrible suffering that's worse than what my cats do. Cats can be cruel, but I've watched bait kill rodents, and it's slower by far and just grotesque. I can't risk it harming my livestock or other native animals either, so while modern baits are often quicker I would not consider them either. On that note I don't continue to employ cats who are maimers but not killers. They have a job to do, a cat that makes a mess but doesn't fix it is just making more work for me.

 

[rancher hicks]

I am a big testosterone loaded male human yet my urine does not repel coyotes or foxes although my dogs urine works great for coyotes. Foxes ignore dog urine.

Well what can I say? I'm not big so perhaps it's the concentration.

or it could just be me. I've upset quite a few humans here too. If you get my meaning. Maybe it's the urine and vinegar folks say I'm full of. Among other things.

Seriously it could be my location too. I'm just glad I haven't had to deal with the predators. So far so good.

I still wish everyone well.

Rancher

 

[janjan1]

Oh I understand, and saying that about "tree hugger or PETA" was just a rant. Actually I also have a chicken farm over in Cleveland GA and we raise organic chickens. Last year or so, PETA came in and we had to put empty soda cans in the chicken houses for "chicken entertainment".......I kid you not. Can you see in your minds eye a "team" of chickens ganging up to kick the cans from one end of the chicken house to the other??? Also, what about the non-organic chickens, what are their rights? Are they being discriminated against because they are not organic? Cant they get some cans to kick around too? So while I do support animal rights and do not want to abuse any animal, and I know they have a right to feed their young any way they can AND they are just being animals.....I still have the right to protect MY animals to the best of my abilities. These are my chickens. I care for them and do not want any harm to come their way. Heck, I dont eat my chickens, not even their eggs. I cook them and feed them back each day. Also, this is my property and it is mine to care for and protect while im allowed to. So I do know that animals will only do what animals naturally do, I just want to protect my critters.
I also just called and spoke with the county wild life office and they are having coyote problems too. And there is no restrictions on how many, bag limit or time frame to control the coyotes. I didnt go into details about the hooking the ole boys suggested but the officer did say anything goes......within limits naturally and safety wise. He also gave a personal comment that he too lost his flock this week leaving a single rooster without tailfeathers to wander his property. So I do know its all over and Im just gonna have to really get with the program on coyote control.
Also of note, no coyote in the trap this morning....much to the relief of the chicken in the bait pen in the cage....
Jan

 

[janjan1]

Oh I understand, and saying that about "tree hugger or PETA" was just a rant. Actually I also have a chicken farm over in Cleveland GA and we raise organic chickens. Last year or so, PETA came in and we had to put empty soda cans in the chicken houses for "chicken entertainment".......I kid you not. Can you see in your minds eye a "team" of chickens ganging up to kick the cans from one end of the chicken house to the other??? Also, what about the non-organic chickens, what are their rights? Are they being discriminated against because they are not organic? Cant they get some cans to kick around too? So while I do support animal rights and do not want to abuse any animal, and I know they have a right to feed their young any way they can AND they are just being animals.....I still have the right to protect MY animals to the best of my abilities. These are my chickens. I care for them and do not want any harm to come their way. Heck, I dont eat my chickens, not even their eggs. I cook them and feed them back each day. Also, this is my property and it is mine to care for and protect while im allowed to. So I do know that animals will only do what animals naturally do, I just want to protect my critters.
I also just called and spoke with the county wild life office and they are having coyote problems too. And there is no restrictions on how many, bag limit or time frame to control the coyotes. I didnt go into details about the hooking the ole boys suggested but the officer did say anything goes......within limits naturally and safety wise. He also gave a personal comment that he too lost his flock this week leaving a single rooster without tailfeathers to wander his property. So I do know its all over and Im just gonna have to really get with the program on coyote control.
Also of note, no coyote in the trap this morning....much to the relief of the chicken in the bait pen in the cage....
Jan

 

[chooks4life]

Quote: Completely agree, I didn't think you were being unreasonable at all. I know how frustrating it is to lose animals to predators especially when it seems that they're only killing for sport. Best wishes with that.

Sometimes I've been inclined to administer a less than humane death to an animal doing something that aggravates me, just because it's so hard to get them into a situation where I can give a properly clean death... But I hate the feeling. I did resort to an unkind death for a few animals that plagued me just because I couldn't get them otherwise but despite my justifications it still feels rotten. A creature as intelligent as a coyote would be extra bad to give a terrible death to. But sometimes desperate measures succeed where intelligent and well-intended ones failed.

I respect your right to protect your animals, wish you all the best with it.

 

[moetrout]

Try to find yourself a fur trapper. He won't want to trap them now, but come fall/winter let him do his thing and take care of them for you. He gets fur and you get less yotes. I specifically took up fur trapping because I was shooting so many coons I just felt bad about tossing them out for the yotes! I don't really have coyote problems since my yard is fenced and I have a dog. I do shoot them whenever I get the chance and also target them in the trapping season too. So anyway, find a fur trapper, you will probably make someone very happy if you do.