Coyotes killing everything, ever heard of this method to kill the predator?

[rancher hicks]

Try to find yourself a fur trapper. He won't want to trap them now, but come fall/winter let him do his thing and take care of them for you. He gets fur and you get less yotes. I specifically took up fur trapping because I was shooting so many coons I just felt bad about tossing them out for the yotes! I don't really have coyote problems since my yard is fenced and I have a dog. I do shoot them whenever I get the chance and also target them in the trapping season too. So anyway, find a fur trapper, you will probably make someone very happy if you do.

Try CL and perhaps you'll find someone willing to come and shoot them in exchange they get the pelts.

 

[Haunted55]

Long-term Plan

Combine use of fencing, electrified cheapest and a dog that is half again as large as largest coyote. Fence will not stop coyote but will can contain your dog and exlude future dogs not belonging to you. Dog will keep out the coyotes and all other manner of wild predators. You will have to make certain or ensure dog used is chicken friendly which is doable.


If electrified poultry netting used, then you may be able to forego use of dog.

And get a fence charger much larger than you will need. The jolt from a 30 mile or 50 mile charger when the area is a lot smaller than that will keep everything out if the top wire is high enough to keep them from jumping over.

 

[Haunted55]

With good fencing to keep roaming dogs out, you do not need a true livestock guarding dog, just one with ability to keep out wildlife. This means a pet dog will do just fine. I have never used proper LGD's but get exact same service from general farm dogs which are usually hunting breeds of some sort. In my free-range setting where fences do not always apply, multiple dogs on my side are used to repel multiple roaming dogs. OP's coyotes should be similar to mine so do not require a large dog to repel. Additionally the fence actually helps your dog do job because predators are going to see an obstacle (fence) with additional threat (dog) beyond it. Wildlife like to pick fights they can win easily.

A wild creature will also sense the electricity running through the wire and stay away. I have never had any problems except for 2 young coyotes last year running at the fence repeatedly and getting knocked back by the jolt each time. I finally ran out there with a gun as well and they haven't been back. And I totally agree with the pet dog also doing the trick. I have a Brittany cross who is fearless. She trees the bears here all the time! Nothing and I do mean nothing wild is allowed in 'Her Yard".

 

[Haunted55]

I think you're confusing all conservationists and those who respect an animal's rights with those rabidly anti-human-rights people who often do more harm than good for animals and the environment through their activism. I support stewardship of the planet but not at the expense of human rights; predators are often cruel, that's just the way it is.

As for whether or not it's 'humane' for a coyote to rip a live chicken apart, no, because it's an animal, so it's under no onus to be 'humane' to another animal.

It's a mother training her young to hunt and kill so they can survive; no it's not pretty, nor kind, nor something I think you should put up with, but it's 'nature' as they say. By all means shoot her and her babies, they ought not to be foolish enough to hunt a human's territory or livestock; but don't be cruel to a creature because you don't like its cruelty to its prey. I do appreciate however how aggravating it can be to see the mess a predator makes of your pets or livestock, and I totally support your need to kill the predators responsible. I'm not trying to condemn you, so please don't take it that way, I'm just explaining my stance on the issue which afflicts basically all livestock owners. An animal's cruelty does not provide justification for ours, difficult though it may be sometimes. Clean and swift kills, with minimum suffering, I believe to be a human responsibility to the animals we share the world with that we choose to stop sharing our immediate environment with, lol.

I use cats for rodent control and often intervene to make sure the rodents are out of their misery in short order, but won't consider using bait that gives them horrible suffering that's worse than what my cats do. Cats can be cruel, but I've watched bait kill rodents, and it's slower by far and just grotesque. I can't risk it harming my livestock or other native animals either, so while modern baits are often quicker I would not consider them either. On that note I don't continue to employ cats who are maimers but not killers. They have a job to do, a cat that makes a mess but doesn't fix it is just making more work for me.

You know what Chook4Life? I agree with you. Even though I've used the rodent poison in the past, I currently have two great mousers who have cleaned everything out here and are now going down the hill to where my son is living.

But, I also understand the anger felt when you lose or almost lose on of your own. I had an incident a couple of days ago involving a drake and a fox. First time I've ever seen a fox here but then again, right now the electric fencing is down while construction is going on. The birds were out ranging and I was with them at the time. About 40' away from me I caught something out of the corner of my eye and turned to see what I first thought was a Fisher Cat going after one of my Pekin drakes. I was lucky, I got there with a metal pipe in hand to save my duck and the fox got away as I slipped just as I was bringing it down on him or her. I wanted to beat that fox to a pulp and would have done so if I hadn't slipped. Yeah, I get the anger very well.

 

[chickeemama]

I live in northern Iowa, just lost several bird last weekend. I have a coop with an electric door that is 8" x 12" and another part of the barn that is open to my 2 horses at all times. I came up missing 1 goose, turkey hen, peahen, Muscovy drake(large), 3 6 wk ducklings, 4 hens all in a weekend. I do believe that it was yotes, as not a feather was left behind. No signs of any struggle, and the large birds that they took. I don't think they could have went in the coop, too small of door, didn't think they were brazen enuf to come into the barn, but either they came in at night and some of the birds were on the other side of the barn roosting in there, or they caught them in the day time. I feel totally disgusted, we have not had any predator problems for a couple years, and they didn't start slow. All the birds were there on Sat Morning, then mon evening is when I noticed they were all missing. I have a pet dog.....Golden Retriever, she barks at thinks now and again but mostly she just hangs out, not what you might call a great flock dog! I am thinking it might be good to intentionly leave a few chickens out and stay overnight in the barn, 22 at my side.

 

[centrarchid]

I live in northern Iowa, just lost several bird last weekend. I have a coop with an electric door that is 8" x 12" and another part of the barn that is open to my 2 horses at all times. I came up missing 1 goose, turkey hen, peahen, Muscovy drake(large), 3 6 wk ducklings, 4 hens all in a weekend. I do believe that it was yotes, as not a feather was left behind. No signs of any struggle, and the large birds that they took. I don't think they could have went in the coop, too small of door, didn't think they were brazen enuf to come into the barn, but either they came in at night and some of the birds were on the other side of the barn roosting in there, or they caught them in the day time. I feel totally disgusted, we have not had any predator problems for a couple years, and they didn't start slow. All the birds were there on Sat Morning, then mon evening is when I noticed they were all missing. I have a pet dog.....Golden Retriever, she barks at thinks now and again but mostly she just hangs out, not what you might call a great flock dog! I am thinking it might be good to intentionly leave a few chickens out and stay overnight in the barn, 22 at my side.

Sleeping bag and mosquito repellent time. I have done as you plan with red foxes. My pens are scattered and fox visited pens away from me. You may need to hide away from birds but still outside. Shooting in dark tough unless close in. Consider more than one yote visiting this time of year. Shotgun may be better weapon. Kill less likely from distance but will prove educational for yote giving same desired result, no more visits.

 

[janjan1]

Just got back from the barn. I found two more chickens, young roosters, that were gone. These two I used as bait in my large have a heart coyote trap in the live bait cage. Well last night I didn't put one on the trap and just allowed them to roost on the top of the horse stall. I found them dead. One had been partially eaten, the other just killed. HOWEVER both were buried and I only found them by following the feathers and the feet were sticking out from under the soil. both were buried in the paddock area at the barn under the loose soil there. They were within 10 feet of each other. I am not having any luck with the trap/cage. I have set it every night for the past week with a live chicken in it. And I even put in beef liver with lots of blood, nada, nothing. But I have not had any more chicken losses until last night. Funny how the coyotes operate. Is burying the chickens something that happens? Any other suggestions?
TIA
jan

 

[twentynine]

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Human urine male or female, at best only act as a couriosity for coyotes or foxes. They'll sniff around it and go on about their business of gettin a chicken. Think about it like this-- You are out in your farm yard, chicken yard or field every day, you leave your human scent in every place you visit. None of this has ever deterred a predator, doesn't matter sweat, urine, feet or smegma it's just human scent. They smell that human scent everyday of their life, and they will still come right up to the barn in broad open daylight to get a meal.

 

[centrarchid]

Just got back from the barn. I found two more chickens, young roosters, that were gone. These two I used as bait in my large have a heart coyote trap in the live bait cage. Well last night I didn't put one on the trap and just allowed them to roost on the top of the horse stall. I found them dead. One had been partially eaten, the other just killed. HOWEVER both were buried and I only found them by following the feathers and the feet were sticking out from under the soil. both were buried in the paddock area at the barn under the loose soil there. They were within 10 feet of each other. I am not having any luck with the trap/cage. I have set it every night for the past week with a live chicken in it. And I even put in beef liver with lots of blood, nada, nothing. But I have not had any more chicken losses until last night. Funny how the coyotes operate. Is burying the chickens something that happens? Any other suggestions?
TIA
jan

Not a coyote or raccoon. Fox or bobcat more likely.

 

[chickengeorgeto]

I am a big testosterone loaded male human yet my urine does not repel coyotes or foxes.... [dog..] urine works... for coyotes. Foxes ignore...[dog urine]

Centrarchid is right. But I don't think that there is any kind of urine that will repel a wild predator species except maybe for their own specie's urine or else the urine of a closely related species like centrarchid said his dogs urine repelled his local coyotes. Even with this I suspect that it has more to do with the local coyote population's too up close and personal interaction with centrarchid's dogs. As you can see from this video coyotes love dogs, in fact K9s are one of the coyotes' favorite foods. All human urine likely accomplishes is to put coyotes on alert that a human passed this way and that makes it harder and more difficult to shoot or trap coyotes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/26/coyotes-break-door-trying_n_2558737.html

Coyotes and most predators view the urine of their own species like we humans view a social network like say Facebook or Twitter. In the wild urine acts like an attractant especially if it is the urine of the same species like coyotes. The target animal is actually attracted to the smell of its own specie's urine so that animal can learn more about the age, sex, and social status of the trespassing animal that left the urine scent mark behind. This is why dogs like to check out and anoint fire hydrants and hub caps. Therefore to repel coyotes the coyote urine you deploy must smell more Alpha coyote like or more alpha coyote dangerous to your local coyotes than the urine of any of the coyotes living in your local area, this is a tall order.

On the other hand when trapping coyotes, their own urine makes a dandy lure to attract coyotes to the trap by overcoming their native suspicion and by triggering the coyotes' natural territorial aggression towards coyotes from outside packs. When using foot hold traps against coyotes remember my revised adage, "Angry coyotes rush in where careful coyotes fear to step."