Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[ChicKat]

Grey has been used in the past as an example of a bird having a large straight comb that follows the back of the head. He has a small crest.


Also, folds, twists, wrong number of points are 1/2 to 1 point deductions.

Then that is exactly what we need(ed) to know, and could we use him as the "Model" for when we construct the ideals that we will set up photos of for people to see?

Directly above the left terminus of the beak, between the beak and the eye on the comb portion of that photo, in that picture, is that a 'thumb' print? and, do the wrinkles at the front, mean we would need a different cockerel/cock for the model of the way the front of the comb should be according to SOP? This would make sense as no one bird is expected to be perfection.

What a handsome guy - he looked great as a baby too didn't he? Remind us of what he won, was it best-of-breed? Was he the only CL? He really is a good example IMO. Do you have a shot that shows his crest? and last of all, how old is he in that picture?


A couple of other shots of his comb-back and we really do have a photo that shows what the SOP describes -- What do y'all think? Thanks KP

ETA, where in the past has he been used as an example? is it here on BYC? Can we start something that everyone could easily get to like on the website or Clubhouse of examples?

 

[KPenley]

Grey was just 1 year in that pic where he won BB, but he was the only CL lol. I'll see if I can get some better pics. The cool thing is that even with his imperfections he'd only lose 1 1/2 -2 points for the comb.
Grey is ok, but I'd ideally like to see a rooster with the correct number of points and evenly shaped points as our true model. He does have a twist at the front, as do all large straight combed birds, but not a true thumb print. It's just where the twist is happening. We'll have further discussions regarding the front twist/cranial fold as we progress. I don't think it avoidable entirely, but it can be minimized. I'm testing some babies this winter to see if I can change the size of the comb with the cold.
I'll have to look around to see where the comb discussions were...maybe here a while back?
Here are a couple of old shots if they help. Grey only has one copy of cresting.

 

[nicalandia]

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Sorry I just dont see any Crest on him... he is crestless.... But since the "Crested" was taking out of the name then I guest crest is not need it anylonger

 

[KPenley]

Mr. M, that was not the best pic, since the crest shows more on the other side and it's purpose was to show the back of the comb, but he does have a small crest. I've noticed that the single crest carriers show a crest early but it stays very small once the comb grows in at maturity.
Also, it is important to note that the crest is very important to the breed. If an uncrested bird is brought to show it will be DQ'd. Grey was not DQ'd, but I know he's not where I want my roos to be. his sons show improvement, so I'm very hopeful about this year's chicks.
"Crested" was not taken from the name, it has been Cream Legbar since the London Dairy Show.

 

[nicalandia]

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I dont know I need to see another pic of his Diminishing crest... and why on earth was the crest taken out of the name, thats like taking the cream gene out.. its part of their phenotype..

 

[lonnyandrinda]

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I dont know I need to see another pic of his Diminishing crest... and why on earth was the crest taken out of the name, thats like taking the cream gene out.. its part of their phenotype..

That's the point it was never part of the name as the breed was accepted. Some people add it as a marketing strategy to make their stock sound better or more correct.

 

[Ashdoes]

To me, if you say, "I have Crested Cream Legbars", it almost seems as if there are two breeds. Crested and non-crested. But there aren't. They are Cream Legbars. I know I've read that a lot of people prefer them not crested, but I picked the breed specifically because we liked the look of the crest, and I will be breeding toward all of mine having them.

 

[WHmarans]

If Roos have a crest they get what kind of looks like crazy eyebrows on either side of the comb. I see a little on him.

 

[nicalandia]

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but there are other Legbars that are none crested and some bird the only difference between the "Cream" legbar and gold legbar is the Creast as some of this birds lack cream... or are very red enhanced.

 

[CibolaChooks]

If Roos have a crest they get what kind of looks like crazy eyebrows on either side of the comb. I see a little on him.

Allot of non crested chickens get those. My barred cochin roo had allot.