Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[Localheronow]

Hello Seatmon I bought 12 of your eggs on e-bay hoping for a good hatch bigbee911 thanks

 

[mwhisman]

Hello everyone.

I am getting into breeding a flock of Cream Legbar and I have some questions.

First, can someone explain the differences in the Golden Legbar vs. Cream Legbar both cock and hens. Pictures would be very helpful to distinguish the differences.

I have been going through the breed standers and I am curious as to what a " a near perfect breed standard" would look like in both cock and hen.

Also is there anyway as to prove the bloodlines of a bird? Many out there claim Greenfire lines and/or UK lines but how do you know for sure.

 

[ChicKat]

Hello everyone.

I am getting into breeding a flock of Cream Legbar and I have some questions.

First, can someone explain the differences in the Golden Legbar vs. Cream Legbar both cock and hens. Pictures would be very helpful to distinguish the differences.

I have been going through the breed standers and I am curious as to what a " a near perfect breed standard" would look like in both cock and hen.

Also is there anyway as to prove the bloodlines of a bird? Many out there claim Greenfire lines and/or UK lines but how do you know for sure.

Greenfire Farms imported CL to the USA so every legitamate CL is Greenfire lines. UK lines? Since the CL was originated in the UK -- I guess they would HAVE to all be UK lines. These are now-a-days a bit meaningless. ;O)

There was once a Gold Legbar - similar to the cream Legbar, but lacking a crest and laying a white or tinted egg. It seems that no real interest is current in the Gold Legbar - unless you consider some folk who want to get a more colored cream legbar, compared with some who want a less saturated one and wish to exclude the ones that have more color

. In that case they may say that a CL with other than just black and white on the secondary feathers is a gold legbar - or gold-looking -- but in my view that is inaccurate.

Near perfect breed standard - perhaps a bit subjective -- what I think is near perfect and what SuzyQ thinks may look a bit different. This is one reason that there is ongoing work to have the Cream Legbar accepted by the APA - then a judge who would have an unbiased view would designate which bird in a show was 'near perfect breed standard'. I have a couple that have won 'Best of Breed' and 'Best of Variety' in a poultry show.... (but I was the only one there showing cream Legbars-- so the designation just reflects the judge's evaluation of my own chickens.

When the Cream Legbar Club was formed in 2012 - we were talking about an approach to have a pedigree database. To really know the lineage of a particluar chicken, would require paired breeding so the owner would know the chicks exact parentage. Many people don't take that approach.

If you would like to see some current color discussion, post 751 in this thread is where I have placed some photos -- and hopefully interested people will weigh in and post photos that they think exemplify the 'correct' coloration.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...tive-legbars-sop-discussion/750#post_15273823

Welcome to Cream Legbars -- and best of luck with your efforts. Keep us posted with your progress!!!!!!!

ETA - regarding proving blood lines - Probably a best approach to select chicks, hatching eggs or started chickens for your flock is take a close look at the parents of the chickens you are selecting. There is more to this -- PM me if I can give you some pointers and a few questions I would ask if I were getting chickens from some one. --- With biosecurity concerns what they are now - you probably wouldn't be invited to visit someone's flock unless you currently have no chickens at all. You would have to ask the right questions and look at photos!

 

[mwhisman]

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I have been reading where GL were being passed off as CL and this is where my whole thought process started with making sure I was not getting GL or GL/CL mixed.

Thanks for all the info and help I have a tendency to be a little obsessive about these things and want to make sure I am on the right path. I am just getting started I have picked up one roo chick and 2 hen chicks and plan to get another roo and 2 more hen chicks from another source to get a good start. I will defiantly be coming back here for more insight and advice as well as joining the Cream Legbar Club as well.

 

[mwhisman]

I thought I would take some pics so you can let me know what you think.

This is Gilligan




This is Ginger




And this is Maryann and I noticed something about her today....




These are her legs, feathered? not too happy about this if this is true.




Let me know what you think or and concerns I should have.

 

[ChicKat]

I thought I would take some pics so you can let me know what you think.

This is Gilligan




This is Ginger




And this is Maryann and I noticed something about her today....




These are her legs, feathered? not too happy about this if this is true.




Let me know what you think or and concerns I should have.

cute cute chicks!! - unforutanately for the last little one -- her feather shanks are a problem IMO. Legbar is a clean shanked breed.

 

[chicken pickin]

cute cute chicks!! - unforutanately for the last little one -- her feather shanks are a problem IMO. Legbar is a clean shanked breed.

Agreed. Cockerel and pullet number 1 look like good colored/patterned CL chicks. Pullet 2 her pattern seems a little fuzzy but maybe its because she is newly hatched, also like ChicKat said, the feathered shanks are a problem and in my opinion she shouldn't be bred forward. It could be possible if your other chicks were from the same paring they may carry the feather legged gene, but only test mating once they mature will give you the answer.

Did you hatch these from your flock or another sources flock? Or obtain them as day old chicks? If they are from another source and not your flock it would be best to let the breeder know so that they can be aware of what is showing up in there chicks.

 

[mwhisman]

Agreed. Cockerel and pullet number 1 look like good colored/patterned CL chicks. Pullet 2 her pattern seems a little fuzzy but maybe its because she is newly hatched, also like ChicKat said, the feathered shanks are a problem and in my opinion she shouldn't be bred forward. It could be possible if your other chicks were from the same paring they may carry the feather legged gene, but only test mating once they mature will give you the answer.

Did you hatch these from your flock or another sources flock? Or obtain them as day old chicks? If they are from another source and not your flock it would be best to let the breeder know so that they can be aware of what is showing up in there chicks.

I got them from a breeder near me yesterday and they are 2 days old today. I was a little concerned with the color of pullett #2 ( Maryann) when I got them but they all came from the same batch of eggs. Then I saw the feathered legs and thought he mixed them up with some Brahma chicks( he deals in a large verity of chickens).

Just want to make sure these are decent birds to start a flock .My plan is to get another cockerel and 2 more pullets from another source.I would love to find another breeder in Michigan.

 

[chicken pickin]

I got them from a breeder near me yesterday and they are 2 days old today. I was a little concerned with the color of pullett #2 ( Maryann) when I got them but they all came from the same batch of eggs. Then I saw the feathered legs and thought he mixed them up with some Brahma chicks( he deals in a large verity of chickens).

Just want to make sure these are decent birds to start a flock .My plan is to get another cockerel and 2 more pullets from another source.

Its hard to judge if they are decent CL just going by 2 day old chicks. Do you have pictures of the parent stock of these birds? That would give us a better idea on how to give you a little bit of feedback.

I do honestly feel pullet 2 should not be bred forward, and the breeder should honestly not have sold her to you if he knew your intentions were to get into breeding CL. I suppose he could have missed it but it is quite obvious and he should be looking them over before selling them in my opinion. If he breeds on a large scale many breeds of chickens I suppose she could have been a mix up. You should contact him.

 

[KendyF]

Its hard to judge if they are decent CL just going by 2 day old chicks. Do you have pictures of the parent stock of these birds? That would give us a better idea on how to give you a little bit of feedback.

I do honestly feel pullet 2 should not be bred forward, and the breeder should honestly not have sold her to you if he knew your intentions were to get into breeding CL. I suppose he could have missed it but it is quite obvious and he should be looking them over before selling them in my opinion. If he breeds on a large scale many breeds of chickens I suppose she could have been a mix up. You should contact him.

I breed Legbars to Marans for the Olive Eggers, and that chick looks like the result.