Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[CibolaChooks]

Steen,

I heard about this on a FB, Washington discussion group!  You weren't the only one who was banned from the group. 

Our opposing opinion was considered arguing or looking for a fight by the admin. Any opposition to their agenda and they just crush you and usually quite rudely. There must be quite a few admin in their group

 

[blackbirds13]

Perhaps a big reduction in the expectations for tail feathering would be a closer cookie-cutter outline to the CL male.

Now that I look at the white Leghorn above...remove the tail and substitute with our high-tails of lesser plumage, move the legs back a little, hmmm.

All along we have been saying we need to lengthen the backs of our CLs, and lower the tails....

I remember this as a discussion point during the development of the club logo.

LaBella - I totally concur with the gist of your post.

 

[ChicKat]

I remember this as a discussion point during the development of the club logo.

LaBella - I totally concur with the gist of your post.

Blackbirds13,

sometimes we see something and think we understand, and then learn more later and understand it differently. I was content with the original....

LOL.

When I first got chickens it was " POL only - not raising any babies because they take more equipment", etc. Then I hatched my first baby chicks --- and that was SO cool -- but looking back, I'm glad I started how I did. I guess all of us can grow in our chicken positions.

It occurred to me (and you can appreciate this with your expertise in art and software---) -- a red outline of this Sample White leghorn, a green outline of the original Punnett image -- who knows a yellow out-line from the Club logo and a red out line of my own bird(s) or some other CLs -- super imposed and sized and see where the differences are. (Pretty time consuming -- could or could not be revealing -- and still would be reliant on pictures).

When I cover the Leghorn's tail in the various breeds white chicken's picture, I have almost an ahHA light-bulb moment.

 

[ChicKat]

Sorry - missed this because it was a comment on the picture:

Comments (1)


GaryDean26 Today at 11:46 am
Is their anyway that they could superimpose the White Leghorn over the White Plymouth Rock and blend the two together so we have an ideal White Legbar for the Cream Legbar type comparison?


Actually there is software that can morph things together.... It would be interesting to morph a BPR and lt Brown Leghorn. I wonder if we aren't answered by the image that was published with the Punnett article about Legbars (gold).

http://www.ias.ac.in/jarch/jgenet/41/1.pdf

Punnett's statement from 1957:

“It may be described as a Brown
Leghorn on a cream basis, to which has
been added the barring factor causing
it to be autosexing. It is also crested
and lays a blue egg”
R.C. Punnett 1957

Compared with (or perhaps contrasted with) :

http://s22.postimg.org/a50mu4qe9/online_standard.gif

The last one being the most recent, unequivocal photograph of a Legbar from the UK equiv. of the SOP.

 

[nicalandia]

this is the Link chickat posted. I cant post pics of that rooster. but you can see it there...
http://www.jillscreamlegbars.co.uk/#

Dang... I got my work cutout for me..LOL and here I thought I would be so lucky if I found myself a Leghorn as good as the one I posted

well here it is replying to my own post....LOL....

from my very limited view, while color is there, his back is short, and tail angle is off..... his breast seems to be good.

 

[dretd]

Quote: I am not excited about this boy. As you mentioned, he does have a squirrel tail (90 degrees from horizontal) which is a serious defect . The photo is not completely from the side which may be shortening his back optically so it may be fine. His breast from this angle does appear rounded and carried forward and high.

Other flaws are dropped wings (should be carried tucked up more), ear lobes should be a smooth white and they are stippled white to mostly red with a crease (or at least this one is), his wattles are supposed to be long and thin and these are cupped. His comb has uneven points with a fold at the front ( but this is common for a roo with a crest, so I don't have a problem with it since the comb is not flopped or twisted), his eyes may be a bit light ( they look more orange than reddish bay but it may be the way the light is hitting them). As for color, I personally think is light but within the standard for the most part and it may be the exposure causing what should be dark grey to look light grey. The standard calls for some white feathers on the tail permissible, to me there are more than a few, but that's a judgment call.

 

[chicken pickin]

I am not excited about this boy. As you mentioned, he does have a squirrel tail (90 degrees from horizontal) which is a serious defect . The photo is not completely from the side which may be shortening his back optically so it may be fine. His breast from this angle does appear rounded and carried forward and high.

Other flaws are dropped wings (should be carried tucked up more), ear lobes should be a smooth white and they are stippled white to mostly red with a crease (or at least this one is), his wattles are supposed to be long and thin and these are cupped. His comb has uneven points with a fold at the front ( but this is common for a roo with a crest, so I don't have a problem with it since the comb is not flopped or twisted), his eyes may be a bit light ( they look more orange than reddish bay but it may be the way the light is hitting them). As for color, I personally think is light but within the standard for the most part and it may be the exposure causing what should be dark grey to look light grey. The standard calls for some white feathers on the tail permissible, to me there are more than a few, but that's a judgment call.

I agree with all of this. He is a pretty boy at a quick glance but when you really look at him you can see all the faults noted above.

For some reason the Jill Rees website doesn't open on my computer Im not sure if it is my problem or everyone is encountering this. Id like to see more of her birds that are representing what is being imported here to the states.

 

[ChicKat]

I agree with all of this. He is a pretty boy at a quick glance but when you really look at him you can see all the faults noted above.

For some reason the Jill Rees website doesn't open on my computer Im not sure if it is my problem or everyone is encountering this. Id like to see more of her birds that are representing what is being imported here to the states.

It could be that it just takes a long time to open her site. Sometimes it doesn't seem to open, and I walk away and come back to the computer and voila! there it is. HTH

 

[CibolaChooks]

dbl post

 

[CibolaChooks]

well here it is replying to my own post....LOL....

from my very limited view, while color is there, his back is short, and tail angle is off..... his breast seems to be good.

His comb has uneven points with a fold at the front ( but this is common for a roo with a crest, so I don't have a problem with it since the comb is not flopped or twisted),
I kinda think his comb looks exactly like one of my Roos. To me it looks like the s fold in the front pushes the points to the right. the last two points go upright but then the blade flops back to the left. Ears and wattles are pretty bad. I would almost bet this is the roo that my friend from the UK told me came in first in a show. It had to of been best of breed. The second place roo had a beard i was told. His wattles dont look cupped to me they look taco shelled

When you look at the GFF offspring below that ChicKat posted he shows the same comb with the flop on the blade his ear lobes are way better but his points are worse and the wattles are horrid. You can almost see the crest coming up above the blade on the other side of his head. such a large crest on one side is whats pushing the blade over. At least from what ive seen in my roo this wont be fixed with age. The points could get better with age. Id almost bet his comb is in that ackward stage as its getting bigger. Some people might have thought that i was flock bashing jill or being hard on her birds but i share the opinion of my UK friend that her birds will just hurt our breeding programs more than help. Also does this gff farms roos legs look willow or yellow or somewhere in between. It might just be my screen but they look willow

Im kinda sad i was thinking the 2013 hens was looking good and i should have got some. I dont think ill be buying any GFF farms hens or roos for new blood for some time now. I cant slide backwards in all my hard work just for better wing bays.