Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[nicalandia]

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I think I have seen straight combs on CCL rooster on this forums, maybe the wording would be on the creast itself.. I know that large creast would create a problem with any combs, but I dont see the CCL having a large creast as the Polish...

 

[ChicKat]

well nicalandia you are lucky. .. couldn't get much whiter myself. lol

ChicKat

Would it be out of consideration for the SOP to allow the male's comb to not be straight only so much as to account for the influence of the crest? Is something like that that too difficult to evaluate?

This is where, IMO, we really need to band together and review the results that we have.

If we want to have an SOP standard that covers the bird and definitely not make the kind of mistakes that Van Dort references, then, it would seem that we need to allow a crooked male comb if we have females with big bouffant pouffey crests, OR we need to indicate that the female crest would be the smaller preferred to support the small tassel and straight comb of the male. That is the type of thing that the wording of the crest can promote so that we don't have descriptions that mis-match the male and the female characteristics. We are fortunate to have much more scientific knowledge available to us now than those that wrote long ago had.

As I recall the SOP calls for a straight moderately sized comb on the male. If we let the females Crests get really large - we are making the future of a breed that can have single pairings represent the breed successfully...more unlikely.

 

[WHmarans]

This is where, IMO, we really need to band together and review the results that we have.  

If we want to have an SOP standard that covers the bird and definitely not make the kind of mistakes that Van Dort references, then, it would seem that we need to allow a crooked male comb if we have females with big bouffant pouffey crests, OR we need to indicate that the female crest would be the smaller preferred to support the small tassel and straight comb of the male.  That is the type of thing that the wording of the crest can promote so that we don't have descriptions that mis-match the male and the female characteristics.  We are fortunate to have much more scientific knowledge available to us now than those that wrote long ago had.  

As I recall the SOP calls for a straight moderately sized comb on the male.  If we let the females Crests get really large - we are making the future of a breed that can have single pairings represent the breed successfully...more unlikely.  

With no real way to back this up I would think the amount of crest on Lillian would be enough to distort the male comb. I wouldn't want the amount of crest to be such a narrow target that were aiming for the narrow band between no crest and the amount that distorts the comb. I would rather it be any amount of crest that does not obstruct vision. Just my initial thought on it.

 

[ChicKat]

With no real way to back this up I would think the amount of crest on Lillian would be enough to distort the male comb. I wouldn't want the amount of crest to be such a narrow target that were aiming for the narrow band between no crest and the amount that distorts the comb. I would rather it be any amount of crest that does not obstruct vision. Just my initial thought on it.

Of course you are absolutely right, and best crest size is something that probably cannot really be incorporated in the SOP. I will predict that it is something that will be part of the body of knowledge that breeders will share in support of each other. Then again, there will probably be people who want a really big crest, and would be willing to do double pairing to have it both ways...

So I guess it will be part of the knowledge base of people who want straight combed cockerels and not double mating to keep the female crests to a moderate size rather than let them get really large. :O)

 

[WHmarans]

What about allowing the male comb to not be straight at all as long as it does not obstruct vision? Too different from the UK SOP?

 

[ChicKat]

Yep, I think it would begin to be a departure from a very specific quality of the breed. Add to that most CL people probably want to have a straight combed male since that is how people came on board with the breed.

 

[GaryDean26]

Blue ribbon for best cockerel right?

Yes, blue for best cockerel.

 

[TurnipTruck]

Here is a better picture of the cockerel GaryDean26 showed on Saturday.

 

[chicken pickin]

Here is a better picture of the cockerel GaryDean26 showed on Saturday.

Yes, blue for best cockerel.

He is very handsome. How is the egg color from the hens?

 

[GaryDean26]

That is NOT the rooster that I showed on Saturday. He is one that we hatch back in 2010 that we lost to the summer heat when he was about 9 month old. My wife posted him on a non-chicken location to show what I was taking to the show because we didn't have any current photos of the cockerel we took and didn't think any non-chicken people would really know the difference.

We have been very happy with the egg color. Of the 9 hens that we saved from the cockerels hatch group for evaluation (from two bloodlines) we have one that is laying #8, three that are laying 6-7, and the rest are 5's with the exception of one that is laying a #4 which will be rehomed in the spring. The other 8 hens from his hatch group will be in laying flocks until we evaluate for breeders at the end of the summer.

Edited to add link to the photo of the cockerel that was shown (Click Here, he is the 3rd photo down on the right).