Cream Legbars

[ChicKat]

I'm pretty sure this is a female cream legbar... Can anyone confirm?

Perhaps the person who gave you the egg could lend some insights to what other breed it could be or what could be mixed in....

The bottom-most chick down in the above diagram is the 'wild type' which is what the genetics of the Cream Legbar would lead us to expect. Ask the person if there is some chance that the chick could be Easter Egger -- they are very nice flock additions -- entertaining and fun and a good addition to a backyard flock. They can lay eggs of any color -- most often green and blue-- Another blue egg layer is Ameraucana.... there are a couple others now a days that lay blue -- My Pet Chicken has one that is a 'super blue egg layer' -- perhaps this chick is one of those. there is also one called Arkansas Blue -- that I think is a blue egg layer....

I think that perhaps these are Arkansas Blues -- from a post on BYC - but not 100% sure. You may want to investigate some of those breeds and look for a match of the chick downs.

Here are a couple of EEs that I once hatched:

They grew up to look like this:


ETA - happened to find one on ClassRoom in the Coop that looks a bit like the pattern on your chick's down:
This one is similar to Db (Db also lightens phaeomelanin in e+ chick down, making it difficult at times to tell S from s+)

Page is here if you want to dig into it:
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=91538
Actually now that I look it isn't similar is it? ;o) -- I'm still going to guess a Columbian restrictor is hard at work on that chick's down. Just a couple of references -- the Db gene referenced is 'black tail' and the phaeomelanin - is the red pigment on a chicken.

 

[TBirdsTheWord33]

Here's the little 5 week old boy with the "mohawk"-ish thing - along with a pullet (hard to get a photo, they kept getting photo-bombed by German New Hampshires). Please ignore the dirty brooder - there's peat in the bedding (and I hope to move them outside this weekend). And a couple photos of Joan (though I really can't seem to capture the audaciousness of her crest in these photos.) I thought these were fun because in one, she's being photobombed by two boys with miserable combs, and in the other, a boy in the back is showing off his straight comb... (These will be 12 weeks old this weekend.) - Ant Farm

Joan Jett is a beauty! I'd LIKE to think my Rose bears a resemblance to her, but that's just wishful thinking on my part. ;-) The second picture is just hysterical... that little photobomber is full of expression and personality.

Perhaps the person who gave you the egg could lend some insights to what other breed it could be or what could be mixed in.... The bottom-most chick down in the above diagram is the 'wild type' which is what the genetics of the Cream Legbar would lead us to expect. Ask the person if there is some chance that the chick could be Easter Egger -- they are very nice flock additions -- entertaining and fun and a good addition to a backyard flock. They can lay eggs of any color -- most often green and blue-- Another blue egg layer is Ameraucana.... there are a couple others now a days that lay blue -- My Pet Chicken has one that is a 'super blue egg layer' -- perhaps this chick is one of those. there is also one called Arkansas Blue -- that I think is a blue egg layer.... I think that perhaps these are Arkansas Blues -- from a post on BYC - but not 100% sure. You may want to investigate some of those breeds and look for a match of the chick downs. Here are a couple of EEs that I once hatched: They grew up to look like this:

Those EEs are very attractively marked. Beautiful pictures!

 

[ChicKat]

I'm pretty sure this is a female cream legbar... Can anyone confirm?

Found this with some explanations on the same Classroom thread:
This is a heterozygous birchen/wheaten chick. Note the black pigment in the shank and foot. You can not see it very well but they also have black pigment in the bill.

Tim

chicks are from Tim Adkerson who is a genetics expert who once hung out on the forum -- If this information (from 2011) is accurate -- and if your chicks parent birds were CLs (and that's possible) -- then I would guess that the E-Locus is wheaten, or wheaten/brichen - instead of wild type..

Joan Jett is a beauty! I'd LIKE to think my Rose bears a resemblance to her, but that's just wishful thinking on my part. ;-) The second picture is just hysterical... that little photobomber is full of expression and personality.
Those EEs are very attractively marked. Beautiful pictures!

Thanks TBirds--- that is from my very very first ever hatching. :O)

 

[caychris]

Down is a very funny thing look at my 2 latest additions Pita Pinta over a couple of EE's resulted in this would never have predicted this.



The EE were wild type down and the Pita looked like this as a chick

Here are the parents





Im hoping that in a month or more Ill have some eggs from the CLB boy with the EE's and CLB girl Just switched the roo's a few days ago.

 

[Sylvester017]

alright thanks! There is something still wrong with her face shape to me though, I can't put my finger on it. I don't think she will make it if she doesn't start to show progress soon. She still barely opens her eyes and she keeps her feet tucked up under her as though still in the shell. She isn't right... :'(

Yeah, it sounds not right for a new chick - usually they're peeping like crazy and running around testing their wobbly legs and running into other chicks. Sometimes you just let Nature take its course because there is so little to do for very little chickies. Even the big chickens you can't always pinpoint what's wrong with them. I assume you've checked her over for pasty butt or wry neck, or splayed legs, etc, so all you can do is make her comfortable.

 

[Lucky Lemon]

Wow - thank you all for the replies about my little mystery chick! You are a wealth of knowledge. The only blue egg layer the lady has on sight is cream legbar. Her other breeds on sight are Swedish Flower, Barred rocks, Cornation Sussex, Bantam Cochin and Red Orpintgon.

So no telling what the little cream legbar is mixed with I guess???? She thought it was only bred with the cream legbar roo.... Guess I will wait and see how "she" feathers out! Hoping it's a "she" anyway!

Thanks again for you input!

 

[duluthralphie]

That doesn't look like a Cream Legbar at all to me...

- Ant Farm

Me either,,, so X2

 

[generaldsherman]

I'm pretty sure this is a female cream legbar... Can anyone confirm?

Should look like the one on the left

 

[ChicKat]

Wow - thank you all for the replies about my little mystery chick! You are a wealth of knowledge. The only blue egg layer the lady has on sight is cream legbar. Her other breeds on sight are Swedish Flower, Barred rocks, Cornation Sussex, Bantam Cochin and Red Orpintgon.

So no telling what the little cream legbar is mixed with I guess???? She thought it was only bred with the cream legbar roo.... Guess I will wait and see how "she" feathers out! Hoping it's a "she" anyway!

Thanks again for you input!

That is a good plan...and please don't forget to post pictures as the chick grows up.

We always say that the E-Locus on a CL should be wildtype - e+ - Because wildtype plus barring is what gives the autosexing -- and Punnett's original notes show how he did it.

That being said - we have no idea what the E-Locus genes of the "Chillean Hen" were -- and the BPR -- used to get barring genetics -- part of the autosexing, isn't a wildtype.

Now, add to that the fact that some folks who wanted to improve the breed -- didn't know what an E-Locus was -- but knew that they had a chicken that laid more frequent - or larger eggs, or had lighter colored plumage -- so they thought maybe that would be a good out-cross -- and the CL is a real Heinz-57. Although I may be the only one with the theory, IMO - the "ambiguous autosexing" is traceable to some unexpected genes on the E-Locus.

 

[caychris]

That is a good plan...and please don't forget to post pictures as the chick grows up.

We always say that the E-Locus on a CL should be wildtype - e+ - Because wildtype plus barring is what gives the autosexing -- and Punnett's original notes show how he did it.

That being said - we have no idea what the E-Locus genes of the "Chillean Hen" were -- and the BPR -- used to get barring genetics -- part of the autosexing, isn't a wildtype.

Now, add to that the fact that some folks who wanted to improve the breed -- didn't know what an E-Locus was -- but knew that they had a chicken that laid more frequent - or larger eggs, or had lighter colored plumage -- so they thought maybe that would be a good out-cross -- and the CL is a real Heinz-57. Although I may be the only one with the theory, IMO - the "ambiguous autosexing" is traceable to some unexpected genes on the E-Locus.

I expected something a little more like the wild type down pattern when I crossed the Pita with the EE's nothing in the pairing would make me think they could be sexable at hatch either. I was just surprised with chicks that had such black down. CLB are what I call a patchwork chicken.So many things going on with this breed Im amazed that they even developed a standard. I love them though. It will be interesting to see how the chicks look from the CLBxEE. Ill have to separate at hatch to be certain I can sex the CLB girls.