Cream Legbars

Found it! Curtis posted it on the Club FB page October 1. I can't seem to copy it, but perhaps he can post it here or the clubhouse as well.

Is this what you are were trying to copy and paste


Cream Legbar Club

October 1 · Edited
I recently saw some confusion on "light" and "dark" colored Cream Legbar Cockerels. I though I would clarify here.

1) The difference between the recessive Cream color and the dominant Gold color.

Cream plumage is recessive in chickens... so it requires careful selection to breed this color into your flock. Cream Color cockerels are those that:
a) lack any gold colors in the secondary flight feathers.
b) have off white (cream) colored saddle feathers, and
c) have cream showing through the red/chestnut of the wing bow.

Gold cockerels will
a) will have gold colors on the secondary flight feathers.
b) will have gold with chestnut/copper colored saddle feathers, and
c) have solid red shoulders with no under colors showing through,

2) The difference between cockerels with Red Enhancement/Autosomal Red are that
a) Cockerels without Red Enhancement will have their shoulder, hackles, back, and saddles all be the same color. That color will be a yellow color in gold birds and an off-white color in cream birds.
b) Cockerels with incomplete levels of Red Enhancement will have hackle feathers, back, and saddle feathers that match, but the shoulder or wing bow will be darker red/chestnut.
c) Cockerels with complete Red Enhancement will have an uneven hackles and saddle feathers to where close to the head you have darker colors than you do at the base of the neck. You will also see red/chestnut on the back while the ends of the saddle feathers will be a lighter color than the back.

3) The difference between a single barred and double barred cockerel.
a) a single barred cockerel will have a dark slate tail that shows only faint grey barring to no barring at all. It will be overall much darker than a double barred cockerel. A double barred cockerel will have white barring on the tail and be a light grey color as opposed to the dark grey or slate color of a single barred cockerel.

4) The last difference is what I will call barring type for lack or the ability to describe it any better. Some cockerel will show light even cream or gold color on the hackles, back, and saddles, and a dark grey barring on the breast and legs giving the bird a distinct top color and bottom color. Other birds will have the same dark barring on the hackles and back as they do the breast and legs.

So what color is correct? For the Cream Variety of the Legbar Breed the correct colors are a) the recessive cream, b) light red enhancement but not so much that you get chestnut on the back or uneven hackle and saddle colors, c) double barring, and d) a cream color top and dark grey barred color bottom.

The confusion I have seen is people incorrectly attributing chestnut color from autosomal red enhancements to a lack or cream plumage, people incorrectly attributing single barred cockerels to lacking cream plumage or to being red enhanced, people incorrectly attributing a cockerel with dark barring on the neck and back to be lacking cream or to single barring, etc. Hopefully this will help you see what is causing your cockerel to look the way he does and help you in your selection in color. See More
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HUH the pics aren't showing in the post they were there when I copied and pasted strange


edited to add - If you click on the picture above of the two cockerels it will allow you to scroll through all 6 pics from that article.
 
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See if this is more clear, and what is it that makes you think he's a hybrid? Educate me!

The Male on the Front is Clearly Single Barred, only single barred males produce this type of Dark Tails and breasts.. so he is indeed a cross, but to what? his size does not seem to different. what other breed is similar on size, is wildtype and produces brown eggs? maybe penedesencas?
 
I am not sure I have full grasp of what was posted above but I think that UK cockerel would be considered a match and he shows some chestnut "autosomal red enhancements". Please someone correct me if I am wrong...
 
I am not sure I have full grasp of what was posted above but I think that UK cockerel would be considered a match and he shows some chestnut "autosomal red enhancements". Please someone correct me if I am wrong...


Yes, he is a good match between hackles and saddle, as well as exhibiting smudges of chestnut, and deserved his title :D
For the next generation I would match him with a clearly barred hen to help bring even more gray barring into the saddle. And put some meat on their bones ;)

P.S. Thank you chickin pickin for copying the article!
 
I am not sure I have full grasp of what was posted above but I think that UK cockerel would be considered a match and he shows some chestnut "autosomal red enhancements". Please someone correct me if I am wrong...
the male in question is without a doubt a heterozygous barred bird, the UK cockerel is just a dark barred male. there is a difference. some may not be able to tell
 
Thanks chicken Pickin

So is the UK nationals winning cockrel considered a match or is it an example that disproves the 'rule'. ?



LOL oops - I think I meant to quote the old saying the exception that proves the rule -- but I think this isn't that. ;O)
this male is just a dark barred male(a trait some CL males have, some are light barred) the one I mentioned earlier is a Heterozygous for the barring gene..
 
the male in question is without a doubt a heterozygous barred bird, the UK cockerel is just a dark barred male. there is a difference. some may not be able to tell
I am not sure if we are talking about the same thing. Maybe we are. I thought the question was if the hackle and saddle feathers matched on the UK bird...
 

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