Cream Legbars

[caychris]

Hello,

I have 2 cream legbar pullets that will be 4 months old around July 1st. I was surprised to get an unquestionable squat from one of the them yesterday. I thought cream legbars were a breed that started laying a little later and had assumed my Barred Plymouth Rock of the same age would be the first to lay. What do you guys think?

I have also found it very curious that despite hatching within a couple days of each other, the two cream legbars have grown and matured at vastly different rates. The one who squatted today has not only grown physically faster, but has very pretty plumage and large red wattles for several weeks. The color on her breast developed a couple months ago. The other still looks like a gangly, rough youngster with small, pale wattles and immature plummage. In fact, she's very little color other than black until pretty recently and her breast started to develop color many weeks after the other one. See photos.

The 'younger' one, Nugget, is quite shy so I don't have good a good individual photo of her. She's the one in the far back:




Here she is in a zoomed pic:



These two photos are of the very not-shy Omelette Top one is from yesterday just after squatting, the other is from about a week ago:







I guess I'm just curious as to how this can be? They aren't just days behind eachother in development, they are weeks and months. And I am certain they hatched within days of each other.

I appreciate your thoughts!

-K

Its a puberty/hormone thing. Its my understanding that they actuall are expected to lay somewhere around 20-24 weeks. Some on the early side others on the later side.

Seeing as Im starting to see signs of squatting in my 17 week olds (other breed supposed to lay early too) and a small indication of squat in one of my CLB that looks much like your lighter girl
I wouldnt worry too much. Just like us some take longer some develop early. I suspect the other might start going through changes pretty rapidly soon.

My 17 week olds are showing signs of starting the juevenal molt which is a good indicator of things progressing along.

 

[jerryse]

Here is the BYC link to the discussion -- I came across it googling Gold Duckwing:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/603553/gold-duckwing-vs-black-breasted-red

I read this . So I used the correct term Golden Duckwing (Duckwing is correct for most breeds but not Leghorn ) from the SOP and you used Gold Duckwing from a genetic discussion . Look up page 123 in the 2010 APA SOP and find Golden Leghorn as a recognized variety . No cream variety listed . The term Duckwing is not used because of the black stripe is present in neck and saddle feathers of the male . It is absent in Duckwing varieties . Just clarifying terms . Not arguing . We communicate better when we use the same terminology .

 

[ChicKat]

I read this . So I used the correct term Golden Duckwing (Duckwing is correct for most breeds but not Leghorn ) from the SOP and you used Gold Duckwing from a genetic discussion . Look up page 123 in the 2010 APA SOP and find Golden Leghorn as a recognized variety . No cream variety listed . The term Duckwing is not used because of the black stripe is present in neck and saddle feathers of the male . It is absent in Duckwing varieties . Just clarifying terms . Not arguing . We communicate better when we use the same terminology .

You are right and thanks for clarifying. My understanding is that 'golden' is used (at least in Europe) for a split silver S/s+ and gold is s+/s+ -- the Silver locus is incompletely dominant --

I think you are so right that terminology is important - and I do take shortcuts. Duckwing is the plumage pattern - right? and the 'golden' is a short hand for a genetic condition. Is that the way you also understand it? :O)

 

[jerryse]

You are right and thanks for clarifying. My understanding is that 'golden' is used (at least in Europe) for a split silver S/s+ and gold is s+/s+ -- the Silver locus is incompletely dominant --

I think you are so right that terminology is important - and I do take shortcuts. Duckwing is the plumage pattern - right? and the 'golden' is a short hand for a genetic condition. Is that the way you also understand it? :O)

Yes . While silver , light brown and golden have the Duckwing they are not called Duckwing in the SOP . Duckwing is reserved for the clean hackle and saddle in the SOP .

 

[sol2go]

Hello,

I have 2 cream legbar pullets that will be 4 months old around July 1st. I was surprised to get an unquestionable squat from one of the them yesterday. I thought cream legbars were a breed that started laying a little later and had assumed my Barred Plymouth Rock of the same age would be the first to lay. What do you guys think?

I have also found it very curious that despite hatching within a couple days of each other, the two cream legbars have grown and matured at vastly different rates. The one who squatted today has not only grown physically faster, but has very pretty plumage and large red wattles for several weeks. The color on her breast developed a couple months ago. The other still looks like a gangly, rough youngster with small, pale wattles and immature plummage. In fact, she's very little color other than black until pretty recently and her breast started to develop color many weeks after the other one. See photos.

The 'younger' one, Nugget, is quite shy so I don't have good a good individual photo of her. She's the one in the far back:




Here she is in a zoomed pic:



These two photos are of the very not-shy Omelette Top one is from yesterday just after squatting, the other is from about a week ago:







I guess I'm just curious as to how this can be? They aren't just days behind eachother in development, they are weeks and months. And I am certain they hatched within days of each other.

I appreciate your thoughts!

-K

Do you know if they came from the same breeding pair?
The increased face color is a strong indicator for maturing towards POL. Some of my CL mature in quick succession - color, squatting and then laying, while others take longer not unlike yours.
In some cases they squatted for weeks before they actually started laying.
But full sisters usually lay within the same week in my experience.

btw - Omelette would be a good breeding candidate if you had a nice cream colored rooster =)

 

[sol2go]

Sorry I missed the meeting, hopefully next time I am not wrangling kids and puppies.

That sounds like fun?!? What type of puppies might be the safest question =)

 

[sol2go]

X2 I only sent an announcement to the Full Members

but all members will be able to see and hear the meeting recording soon!

Thanks for all your work on the updated draft.

(calling all Cream Legbar enthusiasts…to take a look at the updates =)

 

[ChicKat]

Thanks for all your work on the updated draft.

(calling all Cream Legbar enthusiasts…to take a look at the updates =)

LOL - because it was highlighted in blue--- I thought you had put in a link to the new SOP information --or new SOP since I missed that part of the meeting -- and it was just a link to 'best YouTube downloads'--so a marketing ploy -inserting a hyperlink in your message...ggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-- would they please stop marketing constantly -- ? What a society..
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Okay - sorry for the un-related venting. --

It isn't quite available yet is it? We have to wait until Rinda distributes the meeting recording -- (which I'm looking forward to - it was a good meeting) -- OR -- until the SOP committee sends a copy out to be put on the website -- right? Is it someplace else that we can access?
Thanks!
Kathy

 

[KPenley]

LOL - because it was highlighted in blue--- I thought you had put in a link to the new SOP information --or new SOP since I missed that part of the meeting -- and it was just a link to 'best YouTube downloads'--so a marketing ploy -inserting a hyperlink in your message...ggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-- would they please stop marketing constantly -- ? What a society..
.

Okay - sorry for the un-related venting.  -- 

It isn't quite available yet is it?  We have to wait until Rinda distributes the meeting recording -- (which I'm looking forward to - it was a good meeting) -- OR -- until the SOP committee sends a copy out to be put on the website -- right?  Is it someplace else that we can access? 
Thanks!

Kathy

Give me a bit to boot the kiddos off the computer...
Did it! Go check the Cream Legbar SOP thread and ChicKat your inbox btw the spacing always gets a bit off when transferring here, so if you need a better copy for show I can email one to anyone who needs it.

 

[ChicKat]

Give me a bit to boot the kiddos off the computer...
Did it! Go check the Cream Legbar SOP thread and ChicKat your inbox

btw the spacing always gets a bit off when transferring here, so if you need a better copy for show I can email one to anyone who needs it.

Hey!! Bravo -- I will get it onto the website today then. Thank YOU!