Cream Legbars

[sol2go]

I think, that part of it may be from not turning them in the beginning so many days. Every single time I get hatching eggs shipped they look like gelatin for air cells. Humidity is mid 20's in the house. That might have some to do with it. The chicks didn't absorb their sac. If they had all hatched 12/24. There would have been 10 girls, 2 boys. So I'm a little bummed.

I already lost all my Isbar eggs which was 32 eggs and only got 1 chick.

I have the "cheap" LG's so that's part of my drama.

. I've upgraded one to forced air and now have 40 of my Andi eggs in to test my issues.

I agree with all the tips others have posted. I find low humidity is helpful for development, as is an incubator well suited to your conditions. I also let the eggs sit around for a few days, large end up in a typical egg carton (I actually use a ceramic one for cleanliness). I have had good luck receiving and sending shipped eggs, so it can work.

 

[PDPercherons]

For example: I'm at 15-20% humidity today. I add some water to bring it up towards 30.

 

[terrip824]

If I may jump into this convo. What is a good humidity for hatching CL's? 30%? I always boost mine up after lockdown. I have low house humidity in the winter, of course summer is a whole other game.

 

[sol2go]

For example: I'm at 15-20% humidity today. I add some water to bring it up towards 30.

If I may jump into this convo. What is a good humidity for hatching CL's? 30%? I always boost mine up after lockdown. I have low house humidity in the winter, of course summer is a whole other game.

I am not a good resource for numbers. I have a Brinsea that is not calibrated in a way I can control; I either use the water reservoirs or I don't. I have had better results not adding any water to the reservoirs until lockdown. This is true all year round.

My incubator is small and indoors, away from doors and windows.

I usually hatch from my own stock, and the results vary between breeding groups; I have more than just CL.

When I ship eggs, I hear contrasting results. It tends to either be a good hatch or not, so I don't know how to evaluate that.

When I have hatched shipped eggs, I have been pretty happy with the results. My best hatch was 100% with Cream Legbar eggs, shipped clear across the country to me. My most surprising "success" was with Black Copper Marans eggs. I let the eggs rest upright for several days, never added water to the incubator until the night before they were due to hatch...all but one popped right out the next day.

I have very much avoided shipped birds, but had a good experience and would reconsider that. The breeder sent two birds overnight, again coast to coast, that spent 18-20 hours total in the shipping box. They recovered quickly, and the egg that the pullet layed enroute has since hatched into another lovely pullet =)

 

[MeepBeep]

Standards are not universally accepted and change over time, they are not the end all definition of any breed unless you show or breed to that currently accepted standard... One doesn't have to breed to the current SoP (or lack of) to develop a future breed of recognized Legbars... Also it's possible to breed a specific trait into your line, that is unique to your line but still falls within the standards...

Really?

Yes, Really... As I clearly stated standards are not universal, this is a fact.. If they were universal there would be no need to make a US standard we would just use the UK and it would apply in the US and any bird that met a UK standard would meet the US standard and vice versa... Creating a US standard that differs from the UK by definition is not creating a universal standard... Also new breeds are accepted over time, what wasn't a breed or what didn't fit into any current standard could at some time in the future be added to the APA standards as a new breed aka changes to the APA standards...

as a person who has studied the standard I will have to disagrees. The ONLY agile the standard been change was either adding a new breed or editing the standard of another for clearing wording.

Read what I stated again... I never said anything about making a change to an existing breed standard, in fact I thought I was quite clear when I stated "to develop a future breed of recognized Legbars" aka a new breed aka not changing an existing breed standard... Clearly I was vastly overestimating the clarity of my statement about creating a future breed of recognized Legbars notice I intentionally left out 'Cream' thus indicating a potential new breed of Legbars not altering an existing 'Cream' Legbar standard?

You are correct, there are not changes to any Standard that I know of that changes the original intent of the description. I don't think all folks understand what a Standard for a breed really is. The Cream Legbar people have been very thoughtful about how they are determining the Standard for this breed. When I was in England last month I was able to make connections with breeders there that will make it easier to get info directly from the horses mouth so to speak.

Changing an APA Standard is almost impossible......I know this because I am the APA Standard Committee's Chairman.

Walt

It's amazing how multiple people can read "to develop a future breed of recognized Legbars" and interpret it to mean changing an existing breed standard, what part of "future breed" is so hard to understand or comprehend?

Any addition of a new breeds to the current APA standards are in fact changes to the APA breed standards as it allows for completely new breeds to be recognized for showing an other purposes, arguing that additions are not a changes is just playing silly semantics...

I fully stand behind what I stated as fact...

 

[fowlman01]

Yes, Really... As I clearly stated standards are not universal, this is a fact.. If they were universal there would be no need to make a US standard we would just use the UK and it would apply in the US and any bird that met a UK standard would meet the US standard and vice versa... Creating a US standard that differs from the UK by definition is not creating a universal standard... Also new breeds are accepted over time, what wasn't a breed or what didn't fit into any current standard could at some time in the future be added to the APA standards as a new breed aka changes to the APA standards...
Read what I stated again... I never said anything about making a change to an existing breed standard, in fact I thought I was quite clear when I stated "to develop a future breed of recognized Legbars" aka a new breed aka not changing an existing breed standard... Clearly I was vastly overestimating the clarity of my statement about creating a future breed of recognized Legbars notice I intentionally left out 'Cream' thus indicating a potential new breed of Legbars not altering an existing 'Cream' Legbar standard?
It's amazing how multiple people can read "to develop a future breed of recognized Legbars" and interpret it to mean changing an existing breed standard, what part of "future breed" is so hard to understand or comprehend?

Any addition of a new breeds to the current APA standards are in fact changes to the APA breed standards as it allows for completely new breeds to be recognized for showing an other purposes, arguing that additions are not a changes is just playing silly semantics...

I fully stand behind what I stated as fact...

People ask for changes, I didn't say that was impossible. It's not likely to happen, but the Standard Committee has to be open minded. We also accept new varieties or breeds. It's not semantics. The two alterations to the Standard are quite different with different requirements.

Walt

 

[Red Banks]

Yes, Really... As I clearly stated standards are not universal, this is a fact.. If they were universal there would be no need to make a US standard we would just use the UK and it would apply in the US and any bird that met a UK standard would meet the US standard and vice versa... Creating a US standard that differs from the UK by definition is not creating a universal standard... Also new breeds are accepted over time, what wasn't a breed or what didn't fit into any current standard could at some time in the future be added to the APA standards as a new breed aka changes to the APA standards...
Read what I stated again... I never said anything about making a change to an existing breed standard, in fact I thought I was quite clear when I stated "to develop a future breed of recognized Legbars" aka a new breed aka not changing an existing breed standard... Clearly I was vastly overestimating the clarity of my statement about creating a future breed of recognized Legbars notice I intentionally left out 'Cream' thus indicating a potential new breed of Legbars not altering an existing 'Cream' Legbar standard?
It's amazing how multiple people can read "to develop a future breed of recognized Legbars" and interpret it to mean changing an existing breed standard, what part of "future breed" is so hard to understand or comprehend?

Any addition of a new breeds to the current APA standards are in fact changes to the APA breed standards as it allows for completely new breeds to be recognized for showing an other purposes, arguing that additions are not a changes is just playing silly semantics...

I fully stand behind what I stated as fact...

Clearly this has been on your mind...... this conversation took place almost three weeks ago. I don't agree or maybe I should say I don't understand what it is you are trying to convince us about. It is okay not to agree. If I convince you and you convince me there would still be an argument. This conversation is about something that is not going to happen for years, about birds that don't exist and conditions that are all up in the air. This debate seems contentious to me. We are all here because we love the breed and want to be successful in this endeavor.

 

[fowlman01]

A Cream Legbar from the Federation Show in the UK.

Walt

 

[Red Banks]

A Cream Legbar from the Federation Show in the UK.

Walt

Looks just like the ones in my backyard! LOL

Have you seen this on Youtube?

 

[fowlman01]

Looks just like the ones in my backyard!  LOL   Have you seen this on Youtube?  

I saw those birds in person at Telford, England in November. They entered Cream Legbars in two classes. Rare Breeds and Utility.

Walt