Creating Silver double-Laced: Am I doing it right?

[flyingmonkeypoop]

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Trying to replicate the color, right now it doesn't entirely matter on what comb type or body type the bird has - That's a little easier with my experience to work with than color.

Thats what I was confused on, I thought you wanted the color/pattern, breed didnt matter thats why I suggested the wyandotte, that way you could not only make just a new color but you could do it in an existing breed so it'd be easier to sell them as double laced silver wyandottes instead of double laced silver birds.

 

[Illia]

Yeah, I of course plan to stick the color on a breed, but since I don't have even Barnevelders at the moment I don't know what breed I'd rather put it on.

It's just a thought that really intrigues me.

I just hope it works! - I certainly will find that 5 generations is definitely worth the wait for such a remarkable color pattern. Sometime later, perhaps next year, I'll start working on it.

I know people mentioned if I put it on Barnevelders themselves, the egg color would suffer though. Honestly I don't think so, as most US Barnevelders have a pretty typical brown egg anyway.

 

[blackdotte]

A more complex method that would maintain egg colour would be to mate a Double Laced Barnevelder male with a Cuckoo Marans hen. Mate the resulting siblings, a really large hatch would be required, and you should be able to recover Silver Double Laced pullets & split silver/gold Double Laced cockerels.
These mated together will give you Silver Double Laced pullets & cockerels.
You would also have to get rid of the white shanks, but that is not a great problem.
David

 

[Henk69]

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How hard would it be to breed out the Columbian factor when trying to get back the double lacing of the Barnevelder? I have 2 single combed Blue Lace red wyandotte pullets and I was thinking about trying to recreate the Blue laced barnevelder by crossing them with my Barnevelders.

edited to ad: Sorry if I'm hyjacking this thread.

Not very hard, and you don't need to get rid of any red.

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Any color can be made in 2 generations.

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Sure, you need to build a house before you put paint on it, but if you wait too long the new home gets weathered...

You can not make the type first, while your colorgenes are slipping away.

 

[blackdotte]

Clive Carefoot was of the opinion it was easier to set type than colour. So he always made the colour first then selected for type. This makes sense in that there are no documented genes for type, except the Dwarfing gene. Type is polygenetic whereas colour genes are in the main well documented.
David

 

[Sterkfarm]

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A more complex method that would maintain egg colour would be to mate a Double Laced Barnevelder male with a Cuckoo Marans hen. Mate the resulting siblings, a really large hatch would be required, and you should be able to recover Silver Double Laced pullets & split silver/gold Double Laced cockerels.

These mated together will give you Silver Double Laced pullets & cockerels.

You would also have to get rid of the white shanks, but that is not a great problem.

David

I know this is a really old thread but I am working on the project. I uses the F1 ckrl as you suggested, but replaced the f1 pullet with a double laced gold (regular DL barnie) and got the silver lacing in 64. The formula above included a hatch involving 512 birds. May not do as much for egg color but at least the odds aren't 1/512.
Cheers to you for figuring out the cuckoo! I think a lot of people usually assume silver laced or pencilled only. Thank you! I am going to try it this way!

 

[trailrider330]

I know this is a pretty old thread, but thought I would try posting on it and see what response I got rather than starting a new thread.

Has anyone tried using Silver Iowa Blues (eb/eb) x Barnevelders to get Silver Double Laced Barnevelders? Or, does anyone know a breeder of LF Silver Double Laced Barnevelders here in the States?

For pics of Silver Iowa Blues, look here: http://www.iowabluechickenclub.com/silver.html

Also, does anyone know how to get a Double Silver/Double Blue Barnevelder? Is it similar to Silver Double Laced, only with using Blue Barnevelders? I am just in love with these!

Picture from Neil Armitage on Barnevelder.net (https://www.barnevelders.net/poultry/What-do-show-barnevelders-look-like)

I would use the chicken calculator to figure all of this out, but I still don't understand how to use it, and I don't feel that I know enough about all the genetics at play to get an accurate output.