Cull 2 Aggressive Cockerals to Increase Integration of 6 Pullets into Existing Fock of 10?

I figured I'd try this and if it doesn't work, I would probably NOT pen the spare rooster and instead, prepare him for the dinner table too. I just can't see my way to penning the spare rooster off by himself for the rest of his life just in case... Or even penning 2 spares together doesn't sound good to me either, for a bunch of reasons.

Wondering if you have thoughts on this or if there is anything here I'm not thinking of/haven't experienced yet?

Thanks much,
Guppy
I think you can go ahead and try it. With your set-up, I would expect mortality from predators and I see your need for a back-up rooster. I think the worst thing you'll experience is over-mated hens. I wouldn't want to pen one or two roosters and let the rest run free, either.

All birds are individuals, so it works for some boys and not for others. Worst thing that could happen is that he is spared the ax for a few weeks, and it might work out great.
 
Thanks WalkingOnSunshine, I very much appreciate your reply. It sure makes a lot of sense to keep the 2 cockerels with the pullets instead of separating them. My idea was to watch them for some time to decide who was worth keeping since they are too young right now to be able to tell. So at this point I have chosen 2 of the prettiest ones hoping that they will turn out to be good roos.I will keep the other six in the bachelors pen until they are 20 weeks old. I guess i can always exchange one cockerel if one of the ones I am keeping turns out to be a pansy. For what I have read, you cannot really tell how a rooster is going to turn out until about a year which is when they are set in their rooster manners and will do their job. Is there any traits that I should be watching in my little cockerels to help me determine if they will be good roosters? or is there anything I should be watching that is negative in their behavior that will not make them good roosters?

Thanks so much in advance, I do need all the help I can get since this is my very first experience with roosters and I am somewhat a little antsy about it.
 
I think you can go ahead and try it. With your set-up, I would expect mortality from predators and I see your need for a back-up rooster. I think the worst thing you'll experience is over-mated hens. I wouldn't want to pen one or two roosters and let the rest run free, either.

All birds are individuals, so it works for some boys and not for others. Worst thing that could happen is that he is spared the ax for a few weeks, and it might work out great.

Wonderful! I'm on a roll, thanks to your advice and support!
 
Thanks WalkingOnSunshine, I very much appreciate your reply. It sure makes a lot of sense to keep the 2 cockerels with the pullets instead of separating them. My idea was to watch them for some time to decide who was worth keeping since they are too young right now to be able to tell. So at this point I have chosen 2 of the prettiest ones hoping that they will turn out to be good roos.I will keep the other six in the bachelors pen until they are 20 weeks old. I guess i can always exchange one cockerel if one of the ones I am keeping turns out to be a pansy. For what I have read, you cannot really tell how a rooster is going to turn out until about a year which is when they are set in their rooster manners and will do their job. Is there any traits that I should be watching in my little cockerels to help me determine if they will be good roosters? or is there anything I should be watching that is negative in their behavior that will not make them good roosters?

Thanks so much in advance, I do need all the help I can get since this is my very first experience with roosters and I am somewhat a little antsy about it.

Walking on Sunshine, thanks for helping both me and Aldarita. You do have way more experience than me and I continue to learn from each of your responses so thanks for all the replies to us both.

Aldarita, to your question about good rooster traits, you probably recall this thread I started just recently with this question. Walking on Sunshine may want to add to this of course, always interested in Walking on Sunshine's thoughts. Ridgerunner and Aoxa didn't say specifically what they avoid (bad traits) but I know a few of them are: aggression towards other chickens and people, not being good to chicks, not courting the ladies once mature and instead, ambushing them and forcing them.

Here's the thread. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...normal-appropriate-juvenile-cockeral-behavior

In case this is something useful to you, you can follow the posts of different BYC members. I follow Ridgerunner, Aoxa and Walking on Sunshine because they are people who I believe from reading their posts offer a great deal on this site. They answer questions thoroughly and thoughtfully and tailor their responses to each individual situation. You can follow people by hovering over their name in a post and then clicking on the "Follow Member" from the drop down that pops up. I get an email of their posts and the associated thread. I learn a lot this way, on all sorts of topics that they participate in.

Anyway, good luck to you Aldarita. Looking forward to continuing to learn with you and from you!

Guppy
 
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Thanks WalkingOnSunshine, I very much appreciate your reply. It sure makes a lot of sense to keep the 2 cockerels with the pullets instead of separating them. My idea was to watch them for some time to decide who was worth keeping since they are too young right now to be able to tell. So at this point I have chosen 2 of the prettiest ones hoping that they will turn out to be good roos.I will keep the other six in the bachelors pen until they are 20 weeks old. I guess i can always exchange one cockerel if one of the ones I am keeping turns out to be a pansy. For what I have read, you cannot really tell how a rooster is going to turn out until about a year which is when they are set in their rooster manners and will do their job. Is there any traits that I should be watching in my little cockerels to help me determine if they will be good roosters? or is there anything I should be watching that is negative in their behavior that will not make them good roosters?

Thanks so much in advance, I do need all the help I can get since this is my very first experience with roosters and I am somewhat a little antsy about it.

Hi, aldarita,

As long as they are not causing problems, you can keep all of your cockerels in with the pullets and/or hens until you make up your mind. As I said above, Guppy had some real aggressive troublemakers and was planning to butcher most of the cockerels, which is why I suggested a bachelor/meat pen. Of course, if they are causing trouble, then separating them is fine and reintroduction is fairly easy since they have a different pecking order than the hens.

Things to look for in cockerels:
1. Not aggressive to humans. You can often tell this young--it's the cockerel that runs right up to you, demanding to be picked up and petted, that often is aggressive when older. It may seem counter-intuitive, but a cockerel that runs away from people and doesn't want to be petted will often make a better rooster when full grown. I have a "two strikes and you're out" policy with roosters--the first time they duck their head at me and the feathers on their neck stand out and they walk towards me, I squawk and flap my arms and chase them around the pasture squawking at the top of my lungs. If I can catch them, I hold them down and tell them the way it's going to be until they stop struggling. The second time they show aggression to me, they are culled. Notice that I did not say "the first time they attack me." A rooster will try his odds by showing you aggressive behaviors before he gets up the courage to actually flog you. Nip that in the bud BEFORE it escalates to attack and you may stop the behavior permanently.

2. Good to hens. Watch your cockerels for caring behaviors. Do they show hens where tasty treats are? Do they stand near good nesting sites and give that "come here" cluck to show hens good places to lay eggs? Do they dance for the hens until the hen presents for mating, or just grab their heads and hold them down and mate them? One caveat here: pretty much all cockerels will not be good at breeding at first. They'll grab the neck and hold on, or mount the wrong end, or chase a hen down and mount her even though she doesn't want to--they are learning. Not to be confused with the bully rooster that's over a year old and never dances for his girls--just chases them down and mates them without "asking", and they all have bare necks, he spurs them while mating and they have cuts under their wings, and he bullies some hens so that the whole flock is stressed. Those roosters are called "soup."

3. Genetics. Do they have the genetics you want? Don't breed from a rooster that has traits you don't want to see again.

4. Pretty. This is actually an important factor for me. Roosters don't really contribute to my bottom line, so I demand that they be nice to look at in exchange for their room and board! I've culled some EE roosters before for no other reason than I didn't like to look at them. And, I don't want them to make ugly chicks, either.

Best of luck. Roosters are fun. They are my favorite flock members, and they all get names (only one of my hens has a name right now). I absolutely love them, but I have two small children and don't put up with any aggression from them, either. I hope you have some good ones!
 
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Walking on Sunshine, thanks for helping both me and Aldarita. You do have way more experience than me and I continue to learn from each of your responses so thanks for all the replies to us both.

Aldarita, to your question about good rooster traits, you probably recall this thread I started just recently with this question. Walking on Sunshine may want to add to this of course, always interested in Walking on Sunshine's thoughts. Ridgerunner and Aoxa didn't say specifically what they avoid (bad traits) but I know a few of them are: aggression towards other chickens and people, not being good to chicks, not courting the ladies once mature and instead, ambushing them and forcing them.

Here's the thread. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...normal-appropriate-juvenile-cockeral-behavior

In case this is something useful to you, you can follow the posts of different BYC members. I follow Ridgerunner, Aoxa and Walking on Sunshine because they are people who I believe from reading their posts offer a great deal on this site. They answer questions thoroughly and thoughtfully and tailor their responses to each individual situation. You can follow people by hovering over their name in a post and then clicking on the "Follow Member" from the drop down that pops up. I get an email of their posts and the associated thread. I learn a lot this way, on all sorts of topics that they participate in.

Anyway, good luck to you Aldarita. Looking forward to continuing to learn with you and from you!

Guppy

LOL, I'm flattered, but we all have someone that's more experienced than we are. I also follow Ridgerunner and aoxa. You might also want to add donrae, who is also awesome...
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LOL, I'm flattered, but we all have someone that's more experienced than we are. I also follow Ridgerunner and aoxa. You might also want to add donrae, who is also awesome...
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Donrae! Excellent, I can use all the good advice i can get, just added him/her!
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I just added Fred's Hens to my follow list as well. Was searching on how to teach my pullets to use their nest boxes and ran across a great post he wrote on this. I remembered seeing other really thoughtful answers he'd given on other things so decided to follow him too.

Great help you were, WalkingOnSunshine. So very grateful so will simply try to "pass it on" as I learn, to try to help others. "Pay it forward" so to speak.
 
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Donrae! Excellent, I can use all the good advice i can get, just added him/her!
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I just added Fred's Hens to my follow list as well. Was searching on how to teach my pullets to use their nest boxes and ran across a great post he wrote on this. I remembered seeing other really thoughtful answers he'd given on other things so decided to follow him too.

Great help you were, WalkingOnSunshine. So very grateful so will simply try to "pass it on" as I learn, to try to help others. "Pay it forward" so to speak.
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Me? Really? Wow! Where's the blushing smiley?

Fred and Ridgerunner are the bomb, imo. So much more patient than me. I get snarky sometimes and don't mean to.........
 
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Me? Really? Wow! Where's the blushing smiley?

Fred and Ridgerunner are the bomb, imo. So much more patient than me. I get snarky sometimes and don't mean to.........



Oh gosh yes, Fred's Hens is the best. And I, too, have to watch the snark... sometimes I have to rewrite things before I hit "submit." Fred just reminded me of that yesterday... (also need blushing smiley here).
 
When he acts as moderator, I have a favorite quote of Fred's Hens. When the post is not appropriate/going downhill fast/in poor taste or just plain unkind, he'll close it out but before he does, he writes:

"And we are sooooooo done here."

I'm glad he's on top of all that goes on here in BYC.
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I suppose he's seen it all by now...

Guppy
 
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