Dark Pied x Dark Pied

[ICanSpeakChicken]

What are the colour outcomes for this cross? Is it the same as normal pied or something different?

 

[Kev]

Dark Pied is sometimes used/defined differently. My original understanding what it meant was a bird genetically pure for pied. Visually, most of them have white limited to chin/wingtips, maybe with a couple white feathers elsewhere, but the main point was it's a genetic definition. One of the supports for this was how people used to say 'if you breed a dark pied with a white, you will get 100% loud pied offspring'. (loud pied are genetically half white half pied, so this result is possible only from a pure pied bred with a white; all chicks would be half pied half white, genetically) For this one, dark pied x dark pied= all dark pieds.

Lately it seems dark pied is being used for pied birds with not much white(example: small white patch on wing, neck, either no or only a few white feathers in the tail) but not genetically pure pied, unlike the above. For this one.. if both birds are pied without much white(not genetic pure pied) the result is same for loud pied pair- 1/4 white, 1/2 pied and 1/4.... dark pied, as in pure genetic pied. White chicks would be the proof the parents were not genetic pure pied.

 

[ICanSpeakChicken]

Thanks Kev yet again,

The birds fall into the first category, true dark pied, the 25% chance offspring from 2 pied parents, so when mated together should be all dark pied but if mated to a white should be 100% loud pied..

Now this is all hypothetical as I dont even have any yet

but I do know of a breeder who has dark pied offspring as a results of some of their pied x pied matings and I had never read on any of the peacock sites I had visited as to the mating results of a dark pied x dark pied, well now I know!! I guess I asked as I was thinking of starting with a pair of dark pieds thinking they could produce loud pieds together but seems after what you said they will only produce other dark pieds together, I think my best bet would be to get a dark pied and a white and together get beautiful loud pieds.

 

[Kev]

No problem, also excellent to think ahead or be a bit creative.. I do that all the time.

I've wondered what happens if several generations of (true) dark pied are bred together. Do they tend to get more white or not? Especially if birds showing more white are used each generation... I've seen dark pieds with cool patterns like whole body colored except for several white feathers in the tail, not something one sees very often.

 

[MinxFox]

Ooh that sounds pretty...And that is an interesting theory!

So could you have a dark pied that had no white on it at all or do they always have at least a bit of white somewere on them?