day 26 and no pip but movement

[juliet3sierra]

Thank you for the input. I heard at least one chirping a few minutes ago but no pips still. I collected the eggs from the hen house and the avg temp outside has been 35-45 degrees so I'm thinking that may have affected this hatch.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

This guide is assisted hatch, however it has information on the proces of checking your egs for viability FOLLOW ALL STEPS!! DO NOT ATTEMPT TO HELP UNLESS YOU ARE POSITIVE ITS TIME, READ the information FIRST!

And follow this guide through its important you read the first part to understand what is going on in the egg... https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/step-by-step-guide-to-assisted-hatching​

CANDLE & Tap!
Candle and look for an internal pip. Pencil mark the air cell,
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Below is what an internal pip it looks like.
The beak is thrust through the inner membrane into the air cell.



Tap with your fingernail GENTLY on the air cell and hold to your ear, Can you hear a peep?

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[BuckNBark Farm]

Now I'm on day 27, and there is barely any movement. I'm thinking of trying to open up and egg.

Nervous

 

[BuckNBark Farm]

OK- I was ready to make a pip hole, but reading the directions on the link, it says if you see movement, to put it back and don't help. Hmmmm. The movement is SO much slower than it was. I dunno.

Pam ps- day 27 I did see (maybe here) that one person had some hatch on the 28th day. I keep hoping...

 

[Sally Sunshine]

OK- I was ready to make a pip hole, but reading the directions on the link, it says if you see movement, to put it back and don't help. Hmmmm. The movement is SO much slower than it was. I dunno.

Pam ps- day 27 I did see (maybe here) that one person had some hatch on the 28th day. I keep hoping...

Pam do you have an internal pip? if I dont see you post PM me so I know u did.

 

[BuckNBark Farm]

Pam do you have an internal pip? if I dont see you post PM me so I know u did.

I just opened them all- all but 3 were gelatinous yolk. The other 3 were dead fetuses that hadn't absorbed their yolk yet. I swear I saw some of the move just yesterday. Sucks. I'm going to wait until I get an incubator that isn't home-made.

 

[BuckNBark Farm]

Thanks for the links and advice everyone!

Pam

 

[Sally Sunshine]

awwww so sorry!!! your welcome to come over to the thread a few of us hang in, there are a bunch of us who check in daily and its nice to have someone there when you need them. The link is in my signature... also there is the hatching 101 article and if you scroll down through it you will see eggtopsy links and what happened in the incubator so it can help for next time.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101


here is a paste from that

"Shrink wrap" vs. "Sticky chick"? https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/491421/shrink-wrap-vs-sticky-chick#post_6242987
Shrink wrapped: before pipping, both inner and out membranes dry tight around the chick; caused by too little humidity throughout incubation

Sticky chick: after pipping, the liquids dry becoming glue-like followed by concrete-like; caused by too little humidity during lockdown

Wet sticky or Swollen: the chick is swollen with water or simply very wet and sticky; caused by too high humidity throughout incubation

Drowning: the whitish outer membrane is dry while the clearish inner membrane is wet, binding the chick; also caused by too high humidity thoughout incubation

*Chicks experiencing more than one of the extreme conditions can exhibit multiple issues.
*These same issues can also occur during natural incubation, under a brooding hen.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/491421/shrink-wrap-vs-sticky-chick#post_6242987

Float Testing, Checking Egg Viability For Late Or Overdue Hatching Give Eggs A Full 24 Hrs Overdue Before Float Testing. It Works On All Bird Eggs- Period! Takes Very Little Equipment Or Time To Do And Is Easy To Perform.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/383525/float-testing-checking-egg-viability-for-late-or-overdue-hatching

Eggtopsy: What happened to my egg?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/363717/eggtopsy-what-happened-to-my-egg-graphic-pictures

check out
Trouble Shooting Failures with Egg Incubation @ http://msucares.com/poultry/reproductions/trouble.html

http://www.poultry.msstate.edu/extension/pdf/troubleshooting_incubation.pdf
http://anrcatalog.ucdavis.edu/pdf/8127.pdf

This is also a great pdf with pics: paste link in browser search:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=early%20emrbyo%20death%20%20incubation&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CDsQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thepoultrysite.com%2Fdownloads%2Fdownload%2F171%2F&ei=UllaUMXFHsmrygGnjoHICw&usg=AFQjCNGgYxCBYwBex31MS5w2McdnpH1zbw

ALSO this PDF at the last pages have a chart that shows what could have happened.... http://gallus.tamu.edu/library/extpublications/b6092.pdf


Pipped eggs that do not hatch
If chick embryos develop to the pipping stage, or at first shell cracking at hatching, they are normally healthy enough to hatch unless some incubator adjustment prevents it from happening. The problem is usually caused by either 1) poor ventilation or 2) improper humidity.

The air exchange requirement within an incubator is greatest during the last day of incubation. The chick embryo's oxygen requirement continually increases during development and especially when breathing using the respiratory system just before hatching. The vent openings are frequently restricted at this time in an attempt to boost incubator humidity. Instead of helping the chick hatch, the chick is suffocated from lack of ventilation. Never decrease ventilation openings at hatching in an attempt to increase humidity. Increase humidity by other methods. If any vent adjustments are made, they should be opened more.

Another reason for mortality during hatching is improper humidity adjustment. The deaths can be produced from too much humidity during the entire incubation period or from too little humidity during the hatching period.

The desired egg weight loss during incubation caused by water evaporation is about 12 percent. If humidity during incubation is kept too high, adequate water evaporation from the egg is prevented. The chick can drown in the water remaining in the shell at hatching. A dried coating around the chick's nostrils and beak indicates that drowning was likely. Attention to maintaining proper incubation humidity during incubation will reduce the potential for this problem at hatching time.
If the humidity is allowed to decrease after the chick pips the shell, the membranes within the shell can dry-out and stick to the chick. This prevents the chick from turning inside the shell and stops the hatching process. The chick eventually dies. If the membranes around the shell opening appear dried and shrunken, the cause is probably low humidity during hatching. This condition can occur quickly (within 1 or 2 minutes) when the incubator is opened to remove or assist other chicks that are hatching. When hatching begins and proper incubator conditions are attained, the incubator should never be opened until after all chicks are hatched and ready for placement in the brooder. http://msucares.com/poultry/reproductions/poultry_pipped.html


https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/458759/how-to-tell-if-a-chick-drowns Per Gypsy: Chicks dying during incubation because of excess humidity is NOT the same thing as chicks drowning. It's a very badly misused term. An embryo can fail to develop and die at any stage of the incubation. And excess humidity can be the cause of the embryo dying. But a chick can only drown AFTER it has pipped internally into the air cell and started trying to breathe air. If there is excess fluid in the egg at this time, the chick can inhale it and drown. But before it pips into the air sac, it isn't breathing air, so how could it drown?

So a chick that has drowned will have pipped internally into the air cell. It might also have pipped the shell. If you're doing carton hatching I think it would be quite easy to see. Break a small hole through the shell into the air cell and have a look. If it has broken through to the air cell then drowning is a possibility. Tip the egg up and see if any fluid drips out. At this stage of development and hatching, there should be almost no liquid left in the egg so if fluid drips out, the chick most likely did drown. I think a chick that drowned could have either an unabsorbed yolk sac or an almost totally absorbed one, depending on whether it drowned immediately after breaking through to the air sac, or after 12 hours of resting and absorbing the yolk. That is definitely possible, depending on the positioning of the egg. Also even with lots of fluid in the egg, the chick might be lucky and not drown. If it manages to keep its beak above the fluid, it can still hatch okay.

A chick that hasn't pipped internally into the air cell has NOT drowned. It may have died during incubation due to excess humidity conditions, but technically, it has not drowned. So do the same thing and have a look in the egg. If the chick looks almost fully developed but it hasn't broken through to the air sac, break the egg open into a bowl and see if it looks like there is a lot of excess fluid. The more fully developed the chick is, the less fluid there should be.

 

[BuckNBark Farm]

awwww so sorry!!! your welcome to come over to the thread a few of us hang in, there are a bunch of us who check in daily and its nice to have someone there when you need them. The link is in my signature... also there is the hatching 101 article and if you scroll down through it you will see eggtopsy links and what happened in the incubator so it can help for next time.

That's great info! I'll try again after income tax (if any left after son's tuition!) . I'll be searching incubators. At least I can sleep restfully tonight, not waking up to check the meters! G'night