Day 26 pipping updated: new baby

[AugeredIn]

That may be the case,,but I ask you,,if barred winged birds was first,,,,where or how did B/S come about with quite possibly one bird having that gene and breeding to very possibly another bird that did not have b/s in their genetic toolbox?

That is why visible mutations are rare in the wild in general. Most mutated animals that are prey animals never have the chance to breed and produce enough offspring to give the recessive genes a chance to express themselves. They stick out like a sore thumb and get eaten, killed, or just plain ostracized. In some groups, especially some bird groups like finches and parakeets, recessive mutations appear quickly in colonies that stay together. Any expressed recessive mutation in nature is proof of the inbreeding that really occurs.

 

[Yoda]

Yoda,,my older bronze hens do not look super dark brown either like my coming 1 year olds do.Actually they look more like purple b/s hens. I understand about breeders not always knowing,or saying what's in a birds genetics.If someone wanted an IB hen I may have for sale,and I know she's split to another color,I wouldn't even tell the buyer that part cause they would hold me to the hen having chicks out of the color they are split to.I've been told NOT to devuldge this info to buyers unless they are very knowledgable about using splits.I sold my IB split to Peach just because of the "maybe once in a blue moon" of actually hatching out a color that was the split. Now I have true Peach birds,no splits.

My charcoals hatched out a rainbow of colors cause they were "splits" Splits are good for getting new colors created. I tell my buyers what the birds are and what colors they can get from those birds. For instance yesterday I got 2 orders for IB split to white pairs. From each pair of these birds the buyer should hatch 25% White; 50% India Blue split White and 25% India Blue. They were happy to know that. They wanted just IB pair (chicks) but I only have splits so it is good to tell them. Don't want the phone call that they got white chicks when the birds breed so I tell up front. I would've kept that split to peach hen just to get new blood for the peaches.

I just found out that not even female india blues can be split to peach as well. I thought only sex link colors couldn't be split to sex link LOL I did not know that an IB hen cannot be split peach either LOL Learned something new today

 

[Arbor]

Yoda posted:

"Frenchy I just bought a 3 year old bronze hen who doesn't look like the bronze hen I got from Deerman. This one is lighter, a lot lighter. I asked the breeder what her back ground was and he said pure bronze not split to anything just bronze. Well I have to lift her up to the perch everynight, do not know why she doesn't fly up to it but she choses not to. I looked at the bird's wings cause I saw something white on them. Well she has 4 white feather on one wing and 2-3 on the other. Now they are not flight feathers but the smaller ones that lay at the top of the flights. I was told this means w/e am not sure if it is but makes sense as she is so much lighter then the last one. She has not laid any eggs yet and she might not even be breedable age but I will not know it cause I did not breed the bird."

Yoda, I'm sure you're well aware of the original bronze peacock owned by Roughwood Aviaries. This bird began changing white, even with no white genetics in him, and continued to develop more white on him each year. I know there are many of his offspring who do the same (was it BigCreek that had one?). My main source for birds has/had a number of birds that were only one or two generations away from this male. His male developed blindness as well as the white coloration, and no longer can see. I also had a bronze hen that did not want to roost at night, while the other bronze hen did. Oddly enough, I always got more eggs from the one that didn't roost, until my male midnight bs cock killed her.

 

[Yoda]

Arbor it is not changing colors it is just a lot lighter then my original bronze hen. That is why I am thinking she is not 3 years old. I also paid for a 3 year old purple spaulding but it dosen't have a train like my 3 year olds looks more like a 2year old train with few eyes on it LOL. I have to post pictures here for you to see.

 

[Arbor]

Purple Spalding, nice!

 

[3BirdGirlz]

One week old

 

[casportpony]

Very cute!

-Kathy

 

[Yoda]

Yoda posted:

"Frenchy I just bought a 3 year old bronze hen who doesn't look like the bronze hen I got from Deerman. This one is lighter, a lot lighter. I asked the breeder what her back ground was and he said pure bronze not split to anything just bronze. Well I have to lift her up to the perch everynight, do not know why she doesn't fly up to it but she choses not to. I looked at the bird's wings cause I saw something white on them. Well she has 4 white feather on one wing and 2-3 on the other. Now they are not flight feathers but the smaller ones that lay at the top of the flights. I was told this means w/e am not sure if it is but makes sense as she is so much lighter then the last one. She has not laid any eggs yet and she might not even be breedable age but I will not know it cause I did not breed the bird."

Yoda, I'm sure you're well aware of the original bronze peacock owned by Roughwood Aviaries. This bird began changing white, even with no white genetics in him, and continued to develop more white on him each year. I know there are many of his offspring who do the same (was it BigCreek that had one?). My main source for birds has/had a number of birds that were only one or two generations away from this male. His male developed blindness as well as the white coloration, and no longer can see. I also had a bronze hen that did not want to roost at night, while the other bronze hen did. Oddly enough, I always got more eggs from the one that didn't roost, until my male midnight bs cock killed her.

Arbor this picture is for you. Here is my new bronze hen. She has 3 white feathers on one wing and 2 on the other. They are NOT flight feathers though does that mean she is split to white somewhere?

 

[Arbor]

She's a beauty, but almost has that frosted look of a w/e. what are you pairing her with this season?

 

[Yoda]

She is the new mate to my bronze I got from Deerman before he passed away