Day 29 khaki campbell eggs - Help!

[amosygal]

should I make the whole?

I mean should I poke a hole in the air-cell to check if the membrane has dried out?
Thanks​

 

[yinepu]

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I mean should I poke a hole in the air-cell to check if the membrane has dried out?
Thanks

I would if they were my eggs.. however I have had experience with assisting chicks hatch.. so the call is all yours since they are your eggs and you would be the one who would have decide to assist with the hatch if necessary

 

[amosygal]

Well I made the hole about 24 hours ago. I saw the membrane is white so I thought he shrink wrapped, so I made the hole bigger so I can help him, but then I discovered he didn't internally pip! I thought to help him a little (not too smart on my side) but as I touched the membrane (which wasn't hard at all) he started bleeding, so I wet the membrane covered him with a paper towel and put him back. I was sure he'll die in few hours. But now 24hr after he's still alive, I wet the membrane and the paper towel again and put him back. What next, please help!

 

[yinepu]

just keep the membrane moist and keep the egg warm.. rushing things when he hasn't internally pipped will only result in more blood loss and yolk that hasn't been absorbed..

ducklings always take more time to hatch than chicken eggs.. and once the shell has been breached they will slow down even more because they don't feel the need to break out for more oxygen.. so let him take his time.. just be sure to only handle the egg with clean hands and keep that membrane moist... (you don't want to add any more bacteria since he wasn't internally pipped on his own)

as it starts to dry out and the veins start to close off then you can proceed... but if you rush it when he's not ready you will cause him to lose too much blood.. so take a deep breath.. go fix your self a cup of tea and relax... just check him every few hours to make sure that membrane stays moist

 

[yinepu]

ok.. so when the veins have started to dry up then you can help him a little more IF he needs it.. many times they will finish hatching on their own so long as the membrane stays nice and soft.. which is in reality what you want.. he needs to work his way out of the shell on his own if at all possible since that makes for a stronger duckling in the first few days.. hatching is hard work.. but it also helps build up muscles which will enable the duckling to hold his head up sooner and walk sooner..

since you did part of the work for him he won't have the muscle tone of a duckling who did it all by himself.. so don't panic if he takes a little longer to get to his feet or hold his head up...

i'll try to check the thread as the day progresses for any updates.. but since he hadn't internally pipped it may take him another day or two to decide to get off his fuzzy lil behind and make it out of that egg!

 

[amosygal]

I just checked on him and he was dead

I opened up his membrane a little and tried to take out his bill. this was very difficult. Do you think he couldn't take out his bill to internally pip and suffocated. Do you think the water I used to wet his membrane could of drowned him?

 

[yinepu]

the only way the water could have drowned him would be if you used a lot and got it in his nostrils.. but in all the assisted hatches I have done I have never drowned one by wetting the membrane

it is possible that he suffocated.. however since he wasn't ready to internally pip I doubt that was the case.. more likely he was either a weak chick or one who had a few other issues since the hatch itself was running late.. today would have been day 31 and he should have been out before this

did you notice how big the air cell was when you checked the egg?

 

[amosygal]

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I just used few drops. The edge of his bill (will the tooth) was inside covered with some other part of his body. I mean it was hard for me to take it out, how could he of done so? I think maybe he didn't manage to internal pip. Both inner membranes were easy to tear.
I don't think he was so weak, because he was moving a lot at first.
His air cell seemed normal size, just that it wasn't entirely on the top of the egg (it was diagonally). He did have still some yolk to observe, but not much.
Actually when I took out his bill he did make a very slight move, so I put him back in the incubator, but now he's dead.
I still have 5 more eggs, but I doubt any of them will hatch.

 

[yinepu]

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I just used few drops. The edge of his bill (will the tooth) was inside covered with some other part of his body. I mean it was hard for me to take it out, how could he of done so? I think maybe he didn't manage to internal pip. Both inner membranes were easy to tear.
I don't think he was so weak, because he was moving a lot at first.
His air cell seemed normal size, just that it wasn't entirely on the top of the egg (it was diagonally). He did have still some yolk to observe, but not much.
Actually when I took out his bill he did make a very slight move, so I put him back in the incubator, but now he's dead.
I still have 5 more eggs, but I doubt any of them will hatch.

when they are inside the egg they can weaken easily.. there is also a chance that all of the eggs were exposed to a bacteria that kills chicks at the end of incubation (hence none of the others hatching either).. so even though they may seem lively while in the egg.. if the bacteria was present it can weaken them and kill them pretty quick

as for the air cell being along the side.. I haven't seen where it really makes that much of a difference so long as the chick pips INTO the air cell.. i worry more about a misplaced air cell if it's at the pointy end of the egg (I have one of those now as a matter of fact with a shipped egg.. when I candled that egg upon arrival I noticed the air cell was stationary at the small end of the egg.. so it appears to have been some sort of defect when the egg was laid)

have you tried candling the remaining eggs to see if there is any movement?.. as late as it is I am assuming they are all dead in shell.. but never hurts to double check

btw.. the part of his body that was covering his face should have been his wing.. all chicks have their wing over their face .. not sure why exactly.. but they do

 

[pete55]

Hi

If the other eggs remain intact I would remove them from the incubator and hold them up to your ear, broad end. Do this in a quiet room and listen for a faint rythmic clicking noise which would confirm internal pipping. What humidity and temperature are they at present?

Best of luck

Pete