destruction and disposal order --help!

[AugeredIn]

This is a no win lousy situation, but each state can impose whatever efforts they want to prevent the spread. I think the real lesson here is that you should not add any birds to your flock this year. Period. Only outgoing birds.

It is only going to get worse if it continues to spread. You'll start getting the "USPS shouldn't be shipping eggs or live animals" crowd stirred back up as well. You are also going to see tougher implementation of NPIP type programs. And God forbid this thing jumps to humans.

I am, quite frankly, surprised that there are not way worse restrictions imposed. You know that they are going to protect, as best they can, commercial operations at individual's expense.

 

[thndrdancr]

I don't quite understand. If the said eggs are in an incubator, they should not have exposed your flock yet, right? Could you offer to do away with the eggs, or some such?

How do they figure your flock is affected if they haven't entered gen population even?

 

[KsKingBee]

This is a no win lousy situation, but each state can impose whatever efforts they want to prevent the spread. I think the real lesson here is that you should not add any birds to your flock this year. Period. Only outgoing birds.

It is only going to get worse if it continues to spread. You'll start getting the "USPS shouldn't be shipping eggs or live animals" crowd stirred back up as well. You are also going to see tougher implementation of NPIP type programs. And God forbid this thing jumps to humans.

I am, quite frankly, surprised that there are not way worse restrictions imposed. You know that they are going to protect, as best they can, commercial operations at individual's expense.

The protection of the human population and the food supply is a no-brainer, it must be done. What I don't understand yet is the role of the hatcheries at this point. As you point out each state imposes their own restrictions, some more strict than others, how is it ok for some states to allow eggs and others not? It just confuses me that there does not seem to be a federal consensus on the movement of birds AND eggs.

 

[enola]

What we DON'T understand is why/how they can destroy his flock when it tests NEGATIVE.......

 

[allbirds4me]

am new to backyard chickens but someone told me about this so would like to join in .
first am so sorry that the OP is having to deal with this, seems so unfair to him and his birds.
if his birds tested negative he should be allowed the quarantine time for whatever the incubation period is. saw on the web it is 2 up to 17 days.
wondering too if any or many birds have been found in the wild population to have the flu or is this mostly found on farms where the gov. is peforming npip testing ?
just thinking that maybe the testers could be spreading the disease as they go from farm to farm.
we saw how bad the ebola was handled so could be the same type thing with this flu.
just a theory and do not mean to bring in any scare tactics but it could be possible - something I was wondering about is all.
my heart goes out to anybody dealing with this, it's a horrible situation to be put in.

 

[johnskoi]

'just thinking that maybe the testers could be spreading the disease as they go from farm to farm '

.... the one reason why i WASN"T NPIP in NY....(i never brought in birds -- always only eggs...


"i don't quite understand. If the said eggs are in an incubator, they should not have exposed your flock yet, right? Could you offer to do away with the eggs, or some such?

How do they figure your flock is affected if they haven't entered gen population even?"

.....they took all of the eggs yesterday -- i willingly signed off on them

if the eggs were possible fomites , there is a risk of me going and turning the eggs and then feeding my flock -- i could then be the fomite... there were hatching chirping chicks in the bag of eggs -- truly disgusting... I will be videoing the entire process for use at later date

---- even if the birds were positive, at this point, i would do the same .....humane, my sister's ***..NOT to even say this is the magnitude of the holocaust, but it really reeks of gestapos just doing their jobs KNOWING its wrong...

 

[johnskoi]

may have mentioned it already, but the farm i got the eggs from IS NPIP.....

 

[johnskoi]

my son is wonderful! he just orchestrated having cbs news from richmond showing up tonight -- i hope it helps!

 

[zazouse]

i get that ...in speaking with a few of the people (from usda and va doa who have been here, most agree that it's a political move... odds are that if i had it, something would have surfaced by now...

the response in email i received in a from the lady i got the eggs from, basically begging for help and insight:
"
Dear johnskoi,

only thing that has tested positive was guineas and chicken.
USDA is advising use to have you talk to your state vet. As we do not know all the answers to your questions. This is new to use too. Sorry for your troubles, but this is a had time for us too. If you have receipts for your expense (eggs or Chicks), the state vet will help get you get indemnity.
here is a link to the list of state vets. http://www.usaha.org/Portals/6/StateAnimalHealthOfficials.pdf
Sorry for all troubles this may cause.

if i'm getting money, i'm not getting it for my birds -- it will be in a lawsuit...

You want to sue her? why? she has done everything by the book as far as testing goes she can not help that some how her birds contracted this AI or was she supose to be tested for other things? or did she not abid by the NPIP guidlines after she was tested clean like bringing in birds from other places?

 

[johnskoi]

You want to sue her? why? she has done everything by the book as far as testing goes she can not help that some how her birds contracted this AI or was she supose to be tested for other things? or did she not abid by the NPIP guidlines after she was tested clean like bringing in birds from other places?

i have NO intention of suing her ... my heart is breaking for her ..it's the people that are part of my pea/goose/silkie genocide....i guess i should have been more clear