Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[Sally Sunshine]

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I forgot about that, thanks coch

these were not in the styro at all

 

[sumi]

I used to keep a packet of vit+electrolytes around for emergencies. That stuff is so good! I kept a sick chick alive on only that for a week once.

 

[sumi]

Quote: People in this country eat chicken feet, they call it "runaways"

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Why won't you want to feed cooked chicken bones to dogs? Just curious, we feed the dogs here cooked chicken (with bones) nearly every day.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

So 7 babies total with last being assisted due to membranes sticking but so far all ok will leave them until the last one drys out then move them to the brooder

YAY!!!!

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: People in this country eat chicken feet, they call it "runaways"

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Why won't you want to feed cooked chicken bones to dogs? Just curious, we feed the dogs here cooked chicken (with bones) nearly every day.

I think it may be the differnce in pup treatment and their involvement in our family lives here Sumi, they are living with us side by side and sleep in our beds so we tend to be overprotective of them like our own children. Feeding any cooked bone is dangerous because cooked bones may splinter and damage the stomach and intestines. Raw bones do not normally splinter. Many pets enjoy chewing raw chicken or turkey necks and raw chicken wings that are free of salmonella and other bacteria but how do we know they are free uncooked? I dont feed my kids anything raw like that so I wont feed my dogs. Again, I think its alot on the persons perspective of their lives with their animals.

Thats why pets stores make a fortune here as well as the vets, we spoil our dogs rotten and some pay a fortune for an injury or sickness. A friend just had her dogs leg broke and surgery was 4 hours drive and 4500. for an 10 year old dog... but I can easily see, they have the money so have at it. Me, I dont so I would have had to put it down as it was not fixable without surgery specialist.

 

[cochins1088]

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I realize that, I was just wondering if you candled again. Did those 7 day old embryos survive?

 

[cochins1088]

Feeding any cooked bone is dangerous because cooked bones may splinter and damage the stomach and intestines. Raw bones do not normally splinter. Many pets enjoy chewing raw chicken or turkey necks and raw chicken wings that are free of salmonella and other bacteria but how do we know they are free uncooked?

Interesting. We've been feeding our dogs cooked chicken bones for years and they've always been fine, but perhaps we should stop.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Coch I cant find it of course I have godzillion saved links that are not in categorizes yet, and I may not have even saved them! I do know that the older the hen the larger the egg, but the funny thing that I read was something about more weight loss and a smaller chick than a smaller hens smaller egg! go figure lol MIND you that I didnt see backyard breeder abstracts, as they are all geared for commercial poultry so keep this in mind, but I will assume the same could easily apply for us? I dont think its a big deal, I still believe its all this wet weather and I am sticking to it. My eggshells in the CCL ARE a tad thicker yes too, so perhaps its just a bad combination of winter blues going on! ha ha

And to add to the confusion the cuticula could close in a different way when its so cold outside and create a less porous surface? <hands in Air>
Cuticula ~Word of the DAY!
A thin membrane that covers the whole eggshell that is made from the sticky fluid which covers an egg freshly laid and quickly dissolves due to carbondioxyde activity.
This membrane can be penetrated by gasses but functions as a kind defensive mechanism to prevent the entry of bacteria.
The organic cuticle that covers the shell at the pore level forms layers full of cracks and crevices
that enlarge as the egg ages and allow the gaseous exchange between the egg and the ambient
air.



http://www.aviculture-europe.nl/nummers/11E06A06.pdf
http://www.jtmtg.org/JAM/2011/abstracts/0031.PDF


http://www.hubbardbreeders.com/managementguides/Incubation guide (english).pdf

http://www.pasreform.com/academy/fr...al-weight-loss-profile-during-incubation.html

http://www.ibna.ro/arhiva/AZ 14-3/05_Abanikannda.pdf

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=oQRnSSIsV_P8bvMeSbfHqg&bvm=bv.61725948,d.aWc

http://poultrykeeper.com/incubating-and-hatching-eggs/weight-loss-method-forl-incubation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15049506

 

[Sally Sunshine]

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I realize that, I was just wondering if you candled again. Did those 7 day old embryos survive?
oh! and yes they did!! When I removed some from the good bator for lockdown I moved them over and I think I chucked two of them. YAY!!! so now they are at steady temps!

but but but

But I filled the styro back up with WFS again, but these are old eggs but I didnt have the heart to eat them so I sporadically set them... wish I would stop doing that! It is ADDICTION! So I will presume out of this batch combo of well over 10 day old eggs AND in the styro bator hatch rate will be extremely low. But I did the storage air cell down! so REMIND me to tell you how they do stored like that!! or I will forget!
Stored in this position in the cold closet (no clue what temps are in there, I would ad a thermometer but its warming up now! LOL) And I turned them 2x3x a day rotating egg cartons

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: I think you can grind them into a meal with all the other junk you dont eat like on the processing thread.... we never feed bones, I actually dont feed mine much scrap at all , even off our plates.... I love them but a fat dog is a useless dog.... hmmmmm sounds like me ha ha ha