DIY 12V water heater (+advice/thoughts?)

Cool!

I'd cover the wires and move the bucket up,
mines at about 10",
so easier for them to drink from.

When are you going to remove the open waterer?
 
Cool!

I'd cover the wires and move the bucket up,
mines at about 10",
so easier for them to drink from.

When are you going to remove the open waterer?

Yeah, it's definitely too low, but we were down to the wire on time and didn't want to alarm them by changing it again so quickly.

Do you have any suggestions for covering the wire? My first instinct is duct tape... We'll also probably need the waterer closer to the wall.
 
Just stack those two blocks...I think there's 2 under there.
Not sure about the wires, not duct tape......something like is used on computer desk or entertainment center wires to gather them into a smooth bundle?

The hanging waterer is kind of in the way,
AND it's best to remove other waterers to train to nipples.
BUT training to nipples can be risky when weather is more dangerous to a dehydrated bird, extreme cold and heat. Some birds catch on quickly, others do not.
You could remove open waterer but put a dish of snow as back up.

Might be best to leave just the open waterer while you're gone,
would make me nervous to leave a new electrical setup unobserved...
..but maybe 12v system isn't as dangerous as a 110v.
 
Might be best to leave just the open waterer while you're gone,
would make me nervous to leave a new electrical setup unobserved...
..but maybe 12v system isn't as dangerous as a 110v.


The bigger risk is the battery not lasting the 3 days they will be gone...

Gary[/QUOTE]

The weather won't be too bad. Saturday and Sunday during the day won't get below freezing, Sunday night down to 30... Big issue is that Monday doesn't get above 37 and then 26 Monday night. We come back Tuesday. Battery should be able to power the little 15w heating element for 24hrs continuous.
 
SUCCESS! Chickens were fine when we got home, water not frozen, battery ok. Temperature right now says it is 33F (went down to 27F overnight). Battery went down from 12.63 to 12.47, which according to the sheet that comes with it, is down to about 60% capacity (or down to 21Ah). That's 175Wh about, or say across about two nights where it was used (some?), 90Wh per night.
 
So after this success I switched the battery and I observed that the nipples were frozen. This is fine, since we are home to switch the water for the chickens, and I have some time to experiment.

When I opened the box with the temperature controller to see what it was doing, it was reporting something between 2 and 3 degrees C (I didn't write it down) and that it was on. The battery was not drained enough for the time that the heater would have been on if it had been operating continuously. Upon investigating, the controller had reset itself to 3C with 2C hysteresis--Which means it would be dropping too low. Though, at 2C I would have expected (I thought) for it to be liquid, which it was not. My belief is that the sensor was too close to the heating element.

To fix this issue / improve performance:
(1) Figured out how to set the controller to the proper temperature and have that retained across power outages
(2) Make the temperature sensor floating, so it always measures the top (lowest) temperature in the water (done with a bit of bubble wrap taped to the sensor)
(3) Insulate the bucket with reflective bubble wrap

I did these three things, and set the sensor to try for 40C (about 20C above room temperature [I use F normally but the controller only has C]). Observation indicates that when full it gets up to 31.5C, when half full maybe 33.5C, so approx. 13C above ambient temperature when half full. That means that when it is half full it should function down to about 15 F or a bit lower if I put it outside; we don't _usually_ have temperatures less than that, but this past week has been brutal.

Short-term, I think this is good enough to put back outside partially filled (it may work better than expected if the coop is warmer than outside; haven't been measuring). Long-term, I think I'll add another layer of wire to the tray, and experiment with a smaller two gallon bucket.
 
I put the circular polyamide heater on the bottom of the bucket in addition to the one I made, and the bucket was able to increase temperature over ambient by ~20C (with the half-full 5 gallon bucket). I plugged it all up and put it back in the coop, with the battery on a charge controller so it doesn't get too low (and an extra battery inside just in case). I also bought a 150 watt solar panel, so next step is to install that. I'm ok for now, especially with a spare battery to switch in if the first gets low.
 
I put the circular polyamide heater on the bottom of the bucket in addition to the one I made, and the bucket was able to increase temperature over ambient by ~20C (with the half-full 5 gallon bucket). I plugged it all up and put it back in the coop, with the battery on a charge controller so it doesn't get too low (and an extra battery inside just in case). I also bought a 150 watt solar panel, so next step is to install that. I'm ok for now, especially with a spare battery to switch in if the first gets low.

How many watts does it draw?

JT
 

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