Do broilers taste as good as good as dual purpose birds?

Beekissed, I am trying like heck to eduicate myself on selecting a meat bird. The CX bird the way it grows I just think is wrong and not fair to the animal not to mention the whole heart attack thing. I have them now and it breaks my heart that they just sit at the feeder eat and sleep. I think they have taken this breed to far and would like a happy medium. I grew up with this cross years ago and they ate and were free range all day and at 90 we had the best tasting chicken ever, and I miss that.

The way it grows is the way it grows and, knowing that is the way it grows doesn't change the bird being alive here on the Earth. But, knowing the way it grows, one can manage that growth differently so that they don't sit by the feeder(if there is no feed in that feeder they will not sit by it)and sleep(if they are out having to grub for their supper like a real chicken they don't have time to sleep) and are not prone to heart attacks. What we are dealing with is a bird with excess hunger and one that builds muscle in the breast and thighs very quickly and, by knowing that, we can manage that growth with only a few changes in how we do things.

These changes aren't hard to do, they don't inconvenience anyone and they actually save money on feed when raising these birds. I view raising this breed as an opportunity to come out from the pack and do something differently to give them a better life and yield a better meat for the table. The answer isn't to spend more money on a different breed but to change the cheaper breed into what you want it to be.

I'm only on my second batch of these CX, so I'm certainly no expert on their management, but from a nursing standpoint and from someone who has raised DP breeds for some long time now, I find these birds to be remarkably hardy, resilient and a big payoff for the time spent. I could never raise enough meat to equal what they yield in a DP bird on the same money and still process while they are young enough to be tender.

I feed them once or twice a day, depending on their needs, and I feed regular feeds like layer mash and whole grains. I ferment their feeds and it has really saved on the intake, has provided them with the probiotics that help balance their digestive tracts and allows them to better absorb and utilize the nutrients in their feed. As a result, I have less smell in the coop, less feces to manage, and less water to carry. These 50 birds go through about a gallon of water a week. I thought I was giving them around 2 gal. until I realized how much I throw out by changing it to fresh water....nearly all is water I discard. The water they actually drink is minimal and would equal the same amount of birds in a DP flock. I place UP/ACV in their water as an electrolyte and probio booster as well.

What I have are extremely healthy CX that are fulfilling their natural growth pattern without having to give them high pro feeds...they are right on time and their muscle tissue is developing slowly enough that they aren't stressed by the weight or get heat exhaustion from being dehydrated. That excess thirst you see in this breed? It is indicative of animals that are dehydrated and dehydrated animals have electrolyte imbalances that can affect their hearts, causing the problems everyone seems to have. Change the dehydration and you change the bird. Change the growth pattern and you change the bird. Change their space in which to live and you change the bird.

These changes are so easy to make and end up saving me money, so why not implement them? Give these birds a different life and they will be a different kind of bird. I don't find it a bit unfair to raise them...they are a delight to raise and I wish I could breed my own to keep here. They have great personalities, they are the best foragers I've ever seen in all my years of free ranging chickens, they are so healthy that nothing phases them...not injury, not heat, not cold, not rain...they just shake it off and go on with their lives, they are so friendly and calm but still do the whole fighting for dominance thing and chasing each other for worms~I love watching these chickens as much as I love my DP breeds.

I'm not the only one raising these CX this way on this forum and we all are enjoying their good health and seeing a vastly different picture of the breed that everyone else is seeing.
 
i raise mine the same way as beekissed. they are the most enchanting bird. it can be done. they can have a chicken life. if you want save money by raising this bird you can;t. go buy a store bought chicken. if you want to treat your bird like a broiler house bird just by a store bought chicken and save yourself the trouble. if you want a healthy fun loving bird that will be a joy to raise then take the time to do it.
 
I think I'm saving a lot of money raising these birds. They are in their 6th week and I haven't went through $96 worth of feed yet. I've got about $11 of feed left in my stores before I'll have to purchase more. So far that's approx. $1.70 spent on each bird. I've got 4 wks before processing, so I can't say what that total will be by then but I'm estimating around $3 per bird and will be expecting an average dressed wt of 6 lbs. I'm estimating these birds will cost me, after all the costs of buying chicks, feed and bedding, around $4 a piece and that will work out to approx. $.67 per lb.

In the end I'll know the full story so I can only estimate right now, but I'll report in the end. However you slice it, they won't cost me even a dollar a pound and that is much less than I can buy it in the store, plus it will be way more tasty, have better texture and definitely be more healthy.

I had estimated around $2 per bird but had underestimated and hadn't added in the cost of initial chick purchase and the bedding.
 
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Beekissed, what are your birds averaging at 6 weeks? It sounds like you plan to take them to 10 weeks before processing to get 6 pound dressed weights. I like the way my experimental group is doing so far on the FF and I am considering expanding it to another 32 bird group which would put half on FF and half normal feeding schedule. The issue with that is I need to project when those birds will be ready. My customers are looking for 4-5 pound dressed and I normally do them at 7 weeks.
 
That's what I had last time but I don't know if that will hold true this time. At 5 wks the average sized bird in my flock was 3 lbs, which is 1 wk. behind all the hatchery schedules, so I'm not sure how much they will weigh at 10 wks. I'm feeding somewhat different this time with the fermented feeds but still free ranging at will and only feeding once or twice a day. Last time it was once a day feedings so I'll have to let you know how they finished.
 
beekissed. please inform me of your cost after they are done. my stand point is that it may cost me more than a store bought. 4 things for sure. 1. they are a fun bird to raise. 2nd i know what feed is going into my bird. 3. i know i give them a much better quality of life than a broiler house.4. the enjoyment and the satisfaction is priceless.
if i was in it to save money. i would never do it ( not directed at beekissed . we have the same basic stand point in raising the bird ).

the chick alone was i think 2.50 -2.75 i did 10 so that's about 25.00

i will let everyone know after they are dressed out what it cost.
 
I got my chicks for $1.20 per and that's with shipping included. It really helps to start out with less invested in the chick purchase. I never buy store bought chicken due to the ick factor, so comparing what I'm raising to buying it in the store just doesn't compute with me....if I couldn't raise it here, I'd never even buy it in the store in the first place.

For those who regularly buy chicken from the store, that would probably be the focus~"Can I raise it cheaper here than buying it there?" But for me the focus is~"If I can't raise it economically here, I'll just stop eating chicken." , which I do when I don't have my own supply. It's not worth my health to eat the tainted and tasteless meat offered commercially, so my raising my own is more than just, "Can I get it done cheaper?" but also "Will I want to eat it when I'm done?"

To me it makes no sense at all to raise them on the same feeds as do the commercial growers, try to finish them off fast like the commercial growers(often resulting in the same mortality rate as the commercial growers) and wind up with the same end product as the commercial growers. If I wanted that kind of meat in my system, of course it would be cheaper to just buy it from the store.

If I want a healthier, tastier, all around better meat for my table, I have to do it myself because I could never afford the $27 per bird that is being charged at the farmer's markets for birds still fed on commercial methods but that have been pushed around on the grass in a box.

For me the focus is how cheaply~ but still healthy~ can I raise these birds for my own consumption? The answer, for me, is to free range and ferment their feeds and let them grow of their own pace. I get birds that make it all the way to the finish in top health, they fill out just like they are supposed to and they are easy to keep, feed and process. They also yield twice as much, or more, meat than I could get from DP birds of the same number.

As my goals seem to differ from most people's, my approach and methods can be vastly different as well. I don't set a stop watch on these birds...if some are ready at 10 wks for processing, I'll do it. If some can go longer, I'll do that also. I have every confidence that these birds will live to whatever age I choose to process and the meat only gains in flavor with age, so I am free to process whenever I want. No 8 wk deadline, no worrying about will they die if I don't kill them first, no worry about how messy, stinky or gross they are while they are here. Just enjoyment of the chickens until I want to put their meat into my jars and freezer, just like with DP birds.

Makes it nice to have them around!
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Who would eat the end product of this type of chicken production on a regular basis? Actually place that meat in your body and expect that you are going to feel healthy?


Or will I put THIS meat in my body and be happy that it is healthy to eat and was gained by healthy means that provides a better life for these creatures while they are here?
 
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Excellent videos Beekissed. I am shocked at seeing the living conditions of commercial meat birds! I knew it was bad...but seeing it really puts it in perspective! I am going to try a batch of CX and see how I can manage raising them. I am thinking about getting 15 in September and butchering around the middle of November. I assume this would be a good time of year, as summer in Georgia can be brutal! The timing also works out decent with my DP roos they are about 9 weeks old, they would be roughly 9-10 months old in November. I would have 2 or 3 days of butchering and be done...hopefully. I was thinking of building a 10X10 chicken tractor with a small attached house to sleep. Do you think this is a pretty good plan? I wish I could just free range them...but I don't think I would have any left come butchering day. How big would the house need to be to provide 15 CX sleeping quarters?
 
It depends on how much room you will want them to have. They grow quickly and their bodies are very hot, so what would look spacious when they are little quickly becomes crowded. Most people just cover parts of their tractor and let them sleep out doors. I've seen 50-75 CX stuffed into a 10x10 tractor, so you would be okay with just your 15 in the same place.
 

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