Do you have to be NPIP certified????

[LadiesAndJane]

Can anyone post a link to where it says that you cannot mail eggs across state lines unless NPIP?

I know when I checked in to it a long time ago, if you become NPIP certified, they make you agree to only buy/sell from other NPIP participants, so I didn't sign up. I've mailed tons of eggs! Personally, if they come out and test once a year, or however often, that doesn't guarantee that a flock hasn't gotten sick a week after testing. Sorry, I just wasn't a fan of the program, but I'll do more research now, as its been a while since I looked into it.

On the US Postal Service site, I found these shipping guidelines, and found a section on eggs in the perishable section. It doesn't mention "hatching" eggs specifically. No mention of eggs in the Live Birds section either.

https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52un.htm​

54 Eggs​

Eggs are mailable in domestic mail subject to the following general conditions:

1. They are individually cushioned.
2. They are otherwise packed to withstand shocks encountered during normal Postal Service handling.
3. They are not likely to be harmed by anticipated temperature changes while in Postal Service custody.

Honestly I don’t think anybody’s enforcing this. I live in Hawaii and all hatching eggs have to go through the department of agriculture where they are inspected. The shipper has to have a special permit in addition to being NPIP. Though I know many folks who have gotten eggs from the mainland and not gone this route. Not sure what would happen if your eggs were discovered and I applaud you for trying to make sure you are doing everything legit. If you can find nothing in writing that says you have to be NPIP certified then you’re probably OK. Though agree that many folks may not want to buy from you as NPIP is a kind of quality assurance, flawed as it may be, for many people.
Good luck @Sc_chickengirl, You really do have some beautiful Sebrights.

 

[Sc_chickengirl]

Honestly I don’t think anybody’s enforcing this. I live in Hawaii and all hatching eggs have to go through the department of agriculture where they are inspected. The shipper has to have a special permit in addition to being NPIP. Though I know many folks who have gotten eggs from the mainland and not gone this route. Not sure what would happen if your eggs were discovered and I applaud you for trying to make sure you are doing everything legit. If you can find nothing in writing that says you have to be NPIP certified then you’re probably OK. Though agree that many folks may not want to buy from you as NPIP is a kind of quality assurance, flawed as it may be, for many people.
Good luck @Sc_chickengirl, You really do have some beautiful Sebrights.

Thankyou!

 

[JacinLarkwell]

I've done it because I couldn't find anywhere that says I can't. The USPS allows shipping of eggs, as far as I can find. I don't know who says I can't.

@JacinLarkwell can you site where you got your information?

Just word of mouth

 

[raingarden]

Though I know many folks who have gotten eggs from the mainland and not gone this route. Not sure what would happen if your eggs were discovered

I found out what would happen. My expensive peafowl eggs were returned to the sender on the mainland and I got a letter from Hawaii Ag Dept telling me I need a permit and to not do it again.

If the NPIP shippers read the fine print they would know that an extra permit is needed to ship to Hawaii. Most NPIP shippers don't know that. I think the eggs would sail through if the seller did not write "hatching eggs" all over the box.

The trouble with getting the permit is that by the time your permit goes through the sellers listing will have ended or their shipping window will have passed. There have been times when I sent in a permit applications and never received a response at all. It's just the price you pay for living in paradise. But, I'm glad the Ag Dept. is at least trying.

 

[AGeese]

I found out what would happen. My expensive peafowl eggs were returned to the sender on the mainland and I got a letter from Hawaii Ag Dept telling me I need a permit and to not do it again.

If the NPIP shippers read the fine print they would know that an extra permit is needed to ship to Hawaii. Most NPIP shippers don't know that. I think the eggs would sail through if the seller did not write "hatching eggs" all over the box.

The trouble with getting the permit is that by the time your permit goes through the sellers listing will have ended or their shipping window will have passed. There have been times when I sent in a permit applications and never received a response at all. It's just the price you pay for living in paradise. But, I'm glad the Ag Dept. is at least trying.

Didn't mean to laugh at your situation, sorry for the loss, but the whole thing sounds really super effective.

 

[raingarden]

Didn't mean to laugh at your situation, sorry for the loss, but the whole thing sounds really super effective.

We are in the invasive species capital of the world so the authorities are sort of overwhelmed trying to control what comes in. Being responsible for single-handedly introducing HPAI would not be good.

 

[Fluffy Lambs]

I found out what would happen. My expensive peafowl eggs were returned to the sender on the mainland and I got a letter from Hawaii Ag Dept telling me I need a permit and to not do it again.

If the NPIP shippers read the fine print they would know that an extra permit is needed to ship to Hawaii. Most NPIP shippers don't know that. I think the eggs would sail through if the seller did not write "hatching eggs" all over the box.

The trouble with getting the permit is that by the time your permit goes through the sellers listing will have ended or their shipping window will have passed. There have been times when I sent in a permit applications and never received a response at all. It's just the price you pay for living in paradise. But, I'm glad the Ag Dept. is at least trying.

I shipped eggs to Hawaii with no permit just NPIP and I don't think the buyer had to do the permit thing either is it just with certain species?

 

[raingarden]

I shipped eggs to Hawaii with no permit just NPIP and I don't think the buyer had to do the permit thing either is it just with certain species?

No, I think it is just difficult to enforce.

 

[LadiesAndJane]

I shipped eggs to Hawaii with no permit just NPIP and I don't think the buyer had to do the permit thing either is it just with certain species?

It’s actually the seller that has to get the permit, not the buyer. You have to have permits to ship eggs and day old chicks into Hawaii, though many people do not do so and many people are unaware of the permit requirement.
It does make it difficult to get hatching eggs and chicks sent here outside the large hatcheries which have the permit system already set up with the agricultural department.
Makes it extremely difficult for a breeder to bring in new bloodlines, trying to find someone who is willing to go the extra mile to get the permits.
My original point to the OP in this thread though was to emphasize that being NPIP is rarely enforced outside of a state such as Hawaii. The majority of states do not have such a requirement.

 

[LadiesAndJane]

Also the only birds allowed to bring into Hawaii are day old chicks and hatching eggs with a permit. Any other bird species, if allowed, would have to be in quarantine, this includes chickens older than day olds.