2nd the ouch. However, it also depends on your purpose of having chickens -- if you look at the chickens as (livestock) meat producer/egg producer versus hobby/pet or some combination of the above. Most of us fall somewhere in the realm in between livestock and household pet. Being new, I've thankfully learned in 3 months that these are hardy little animals, I use care and caution, but they are not as fragile as I first thought. In taking these animals onto my hobby farm, I will do what is reasonably necessary to provide a good life for them. We each have different ideas of extreme.