Dog Spay and Neuter: Discussion

[SundownWaterfowl]

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I agree.

 

[redhen]

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I agree.

Most (not all..) times people breed for the money..

 

[aggieterpkatie]

IMO, poor breeding is not doing research on each dog before you breed it. Were the parents healthy? Grandparents? Have the dogs had their eyes/hips/hearts/etc checked? Is there a need you're filling by breeding these dogs? Are you improving working lines? Are you improving conformation? Temperment? Are you breeding "just because" or because you think it'll be fun? If you're not breeding purebred dogs to better the breed, do you know that there's already a huge overpopulation of mutts out there? Not that mutts aren't good pets, but why do you need to create more mutt puppies when shelters across the country are chock full of them? Are you breeding "just because" your dog happens to be registered? Are you breeding to make a quick buck? If you breed your dogs, would you be willing to take all the puppies back if their new homes didn't work out?

It all boils down to the reason for breeding. What is the reason? IMO, all breedings should have a purpose. If it's just to make cuddly puppies, there are already tons of homeless cuddly puppies out there.

And yes, we got so many different breeds today by crossbreeding. BUT- just because you cross a poodle and a lab doesn't make a labradoodle a breed. Labradoodles are mutts. They won't be a breed until there is consistency and until you can breed labradoodle to labradoodle to get a labradoodle. This is what gets me. Labradoodle (and most other "poo" dogs) are marketed for being hypoallergenic. Uh, well, there's NO guarantee. Some won't shed, some will shed a little, and some will shed a lot. There's no guarantee of temperment. Some may act poodly, some may act labby. Breeds are created once there is consistency among offspring.

 

[gritsar]

Somehow this turned into a discussion on to breed or not to breed. I thought it was about neutering or not neutering. I still maintain that it should be up to the responsible owner to decide whether they want to neuter or not. Being left intact doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to breed. Yes, accidents do happen but they are rare if you are a responsible and careful pet owner. And there are ways to deal with the accidents - did anyone read the link I posted?. As a responsible pet owner I am prepared to deal with the issues that can come along from having an intact dog.
In other words, I'll worry about what's on my side of the fence.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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Actually no there not. Well, actually most are but some are not. The actual standard that goes back hundreds of years is to be a breed is when you get to the point that 2 animals that look alike produce another generation that over 75% of them look like the parents. That point has been passed by some Labradoodle breeders. Same with the Carolina Pincher, Weeneranians an many many other crosses. Interestingly enough if you use this simple 75% breeding true standard then many of the AKC approved breeds and/or bloodlines are actually mutts because they throw random colors. So in reality in the last 200 years we have not only completely changed many of the standard breeds we have also tried to change the basic definition of the word "breed."

Probably way off topic but anyway......

 

[Jamie_Dog_Trainer]

Please lets stay on topic everyone. Thus far we've all done a good job with staying adult and on topic but its going down hill a bit.

 

[QuailHollow]

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BINGO! Thank you!
I'm done now.

 

[aggieterpkatie]

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Actually no there not. Well, actually most are but some are not. The actual standard that goes back hundreds of years is to be a breed is when you get to the point that 2 animals that look alike produce another generation that over 75% of them look like the parents. That point has been passed by some Labradoodle breeders. Same with the Carolina Pincher, Weeneranians an many many other crosses. Interestingly enough if you use this simple 75% breeding true standard then many of the AKC approved breeds and/or bloodlines are actually mutts because they throw random colors. So in reality in the last 200 years we have not only completely changed many of the standard breeds we have also tried to change the basic definition of the word "breed."

Probably way off topic but anyway......

Ok, my last off topic post. I swear.

If labradoodles are a breed, then why are 95% of the breeders breeding them still crossing 2 totally different breeds (labs and poodles) to get the labradoodle puppies??? If they were a true breed, then they'd be breeding labradoodles TO labradoodles.

Ok, enough of that. We're never going to agree on this!

 

[adoptedbyachicken]

Clearly this has run it's course, the on topic posts have ended.

Thanks all who stuck with the topic, it was interesting.