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[MissJenny]

As far as owing up to habits, I'm sure most of us would rather there be humane treatment for animals intended for food. But the treatment isn't the consumers fault. It's the fault of the processors for their indifference to suffering.

Two Chicks -- I have to humbly disagree that treatment is not the consumer's fault. If we arm ourselves with information and knowingly purchase from processors who treat animals inhumanely it is absolutely the consumer's fault. If we don't buy the product then there is no demand --- the supply will diminish. Practices will either change or disappear. It is that simple.

I've seen Temple Grandin on talk shows -- she's amazing!

Jenny​

 

[NYREDS]

I'm not sure what's inhumane about transporting chickens on the back of a truck? People eat chickens every day, lots of chickens. Somehow those chickens have to get from where they're raised to where they're processed to where they're sold. Trucks seem to work well for that.
You may choose to keep a pet chicken around for it's entire lifespan but commercially raised chickens are something entirely different. Why would Tyson or whoever want to raise birds & not sell them? Obviously that would be ridiculous.
Keep chickens the way you want. Eat the way you want. Don't judge others who have a different value system or a different point of view.

 

[A.T. Hagan]

I hate getting caught behind stock trucks. I'm not sure what is worse, broilers, pigs, or cattle...

But as Reds observes they've got to have someway to move them. I don't see anything particularly wrong with that photo so long as I'm not the one stuck behind the truck!

.....Alan.

 

[77horses]

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Those chickens aren't just simply be transported. It's not as innocent as that. Those chickens are crammed into cages, and often those cages are mishandled pretty badly. They are tossed around and it often injures the chickens, turkeys, etc.


So yes, cramming those poor chickens into dirty, metal cages and transporting them onto trucks, and in the process injuring many of them and even breaking their bones, does work well.

But do you know how easy it is to transport them another way? A BETTER way?

 

[NYREDS]

But do you know how easy it is to transport them another way? A BETTER way?

Such as?
Keep in mind that the more labor intensive the process is the more it affect the cost to the end user. Most consumers want to continue to but inexpensive chicken. There is a niche market for free range, etc chicken but conventionly produced chicken still dominates the market by a wide margin.​

 

[77horses]

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Such as?
Keep in mind that the more labor intensive the process is the more it affect the cost to the end user. Most consumers want to continue to but inexpensive chicken. There is a niche market for free range, etc chicken but conventionly produced chicken still dominates the market by a wide margin.

So it doesn't matter how the chickens are treated? And in many cases they are treated beyond "humane". So all that matters is getting the process done as quick and easily as possible, no matter how cruel it is for the chickens? Well, eliminate buying chicken that has been through such atrocity at all and you wouldn't have to worry about paying for it. Just saying. It would eliminate many problems with the conventionally produced chickens at the meat industries.
Such as being way more gentle with them rather than tossing the cages (with the live chickens in them) from worker to worker as they are loaded onto the trucks. And also not grabbing chickens by their necks, legs, wings, etc. and just tossing them into the cages. I've seen the videos, I know how rough they are with them. Give them bigger, CLEANER cages at least. Basically, supply them with what they basically need; space, clean cages, food, and water. Do you see ANY small water bottles in those cages for the chickens when they get thirsty? Well, I guess it doesn't matter, since they probably wouldn't be able to move around enough to get at the water.

I will tell you as a fact that I would NOT let my chickens, or any chickens if I could help it, be transported like that. The picture doesn't show all the horrors of it either.

 

[LyonFuzz]

Some of the posters above should get their hands on Temple Grandin's newest book. Maybe that chicken finger or buffalo wing would look different to you if you knew what it suffered to get to your mouth. Torture and cruelty are not necessary to provide commercial chicken at any different cost.

 

[NYREDS]

Consider the possibility that there may be people who don't worship at the alter of Dr Grandin.
BTW-I hate being told what I "should" do.

 

[77horses]

BTW Please keep what you're saying nice. You have your opinions, others have theirs, you can share your opinion, but please try not to get nasty about it. I don't think the OP and/or the mods would want to have to close this thread due to arguments. Just a reminder, and I know I'm not a mod, but just letting you know before a real mod has to tell you.

Thank you.

NYREDS- Yes there are people who "don't worship at the alter of Dr. Grandin", whoever that is. I am one of them because I have no idea who that is in the first place. But I still don't buy meat that has been cruelly killed (and the fact that I'm a Vegetarian anyway.

). I don't get it when people KNOW what an atrocity the meat industries are today, yet go and support them anyway by buying their products. Yes, I understand that many people buy the products because they are cheap and times are hard for some people right now. But it still doesn't rule out the fact that it's cruel.

 

[NYREDS]

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Labeling the meat industry is a value judgement on your part it is not an absolute truth. If you choose not to eat meat because you feel it is a cruel practice that's your decision & I wouldn't suggest you rethink it. You refer to the "fact" that it's cruel but that's not a fact it's your opinion. As my friend Daniel Patrick Moynihan said "everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not to their own facts".
That said, I don't agree and apparently many others don't either since vegetarians form a small minority of the total population.
As to providing chickens with food & water while they're being transported-they really don't need food & water available at all times any more than you or I do. When I transport birds to shows they don't have food & water in the show boxes with them. Doesn't seem to harm them any.