d'Uccle color genetics

[paris_r]

Can someone please tell me how the blue mottled is achieved? I'd love to add some to my flock, but can never find any to buy :-(.

have a black mottled and breed it to a golden necked or a blue mille fleur. i will be having lots of those when everyone begins to lay -i have about 10 GN hens

 

[crzyckldy]

These are two pics of a project chick I came up with surprisingly. The cross is between a mille fleur roo over a bantam, frizzled, white Cochin hen, both many years pure for color.:

Any thoughts as to which best color of d'Uccle I should breed it to eventually try getting back to this color???

That has got to be the cutest chick I have ever seen!!

 

[crzyckldy]

have a black mottled and breed it to a golden necked or a blue mille fleur. i will be having lots of those when everyone begins to lay -i have about 10 GN hens

So will that achieve blue mottled? Thx

 

[paris_r]

So will that achieve blue mottled? Thx

yes, here use this link
http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm
if you use the selection on the bottom half you can specify mille fleurs in the B/B/S spectrum. a splash mille fleur is known as a Golden Necked

 

[paris_r]

This is a great thread! I'm so confused though, lol. I bred my millie fleur d'uccle to a white d'uccle and got this guy. .. no idea. .

He's 12 weeks old, and I guess not a real color. .

well that may answer my question from a while back, i also called ideal and they didnt respond. it looks like the white is a single dominant white gene since what you get is a white bird with bleed through from other genes. according to the chicken calculator you had a 50% chance of getting a black bird too with possible leaking.

 

[crzyckldy]

Thanks Paris_r

 

[misfitmorgan]

have a black mottled and breed it to a golden necked or a blue mille fleur. i will be having lots of those when everyone begins to lay -i have about 10 GN hens

Golden necks will not give you a mottled blue unless they are those from such places as ideal or ideal lineage because ideal does not seperate all their birds for breeding in the D'uccle line. In fact they put non-like together, as in Black and White D'uccles in one pen, Golden neck and Blue in another pens etc and whatever it visually looks like is what it is sold as. Making a mottled blue only works with those Golden Necks who are actually split to Blue, not all Golden necks from Ideal are split to Blue and certainly a very high percentage of non-hatchery Golden Necks are not split to Blue either. Only the tail feathers will tell you if it is split to Blue or not and only sometimes.

yes, here use this link
http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm
if you use the selection on the bottom half you can specify mille fleurs in the B/B/S spectrum. a splash mille fleur is known as a Golden Necked

A Splash D'uccle is not known as a Golden neck. There is not such thing as a splash D'uccle, they are all either mottled or un-patterned. Splash is a random pattern of usually unsymetrical colors on different birds. As in the mottled white pattern on any color bird does not qualify it as a splash and does not mean it is carrying splash genes, they carry the mottled gene only.


EDIT: A Mille Fleur and a Golden Neck are also not the same color line. So many people keep thinking they are, i dont know where they are getting that from.
As far as i am aware and i am very possibly wrong, mottled and splash are the same thing in D'uccles because they do not have a true splash. As in they are not randomly colored with secondary color....they instead have a pattern of a secondary color (MF have more then one obviously)

For intents and purposes as far as i know these are the names of these birds:
(yes i know i just said there is no such thing as splash in D'uccles, but to make it more clear to people who keep calling them splash i used the word....mottled is the correct word caused by the mottled gene, mottled is located in the same location as those causing bars in any barred breed. )

Golden Neck (notice it has gold base white pattern)

Splash Golden Neck (white base gold pattern)

Blue Mottled/Splash (blue base white pattern)


Black Mottled/Splash (black base white pattern)


If you look at all those birds they actually have the MF Flower Pattern aka mottled...as i said i have yet to see a splash pattern. Some people will show pics of roosters or cochins that have very long feathers and look like they are a splash when they actually just have a mottled pattern that you cant see because of the long feathers.

 

[misfitmorgan]

Does any one know what I might get if I bred my porcelain roo to my white hen?

You would get a bunch of white birds split to Lav.

Lavendar is 2 Recessive
White is 1 Dom 1 Recessive

If you bred the white to the lav, then bred your F1 white split to Lav birds back to the Lav parent you would make Porcelains.
F1 bred back results: 50% White split to Lav 50% Porcelain

If you bred back F2 displaying porcelain only to the orgininal Porcelain parent again you would get.
F3 bred back results: 100% Porcelain

 

[crzyckldy]

Golden necks will not give you a mottled blue unless they are those from such places as ideal or ideal lineage because ideal does not seperate all their birds for breeding in the D'uccle line. In fact they put non-like together, as in Black and White D'uccles in one pen, Golden neck and Blue in another pens etc and whatever it visually looks like is what it is sold as. Making a mottled blue only works with those Golden Necks who are actually split to Blue, not all Golden necks from Ideal are split to Blue and certainly a very high percentage of non-hatchery Golden Necks are not split to Blue either. Only the tail feathers will tell you if it is split to Blue or not and only sometimes. A Splash D'uccle is not known as a Golden neck. There is not such thing as a splash D'uccle, they are all either mottled or un-patterned. Splash is a random pattern of usually unsymetrical colors on different birds. As in the mottled white pattern on any color bird does not qualify it as a splash and does not mean it is carrying splash genes, they carry the mottled gene only. EDIT: A Mille Fleur and a Golden Neck are also not the same color line. So many people keep thinking they are, i dont know where they are getting that from. [COLOR=333333]As far as i am aware and i am very possibly wrong, mottled and splash are the same thing in D'uccles because they do not have a true splash. As in they are not randomly colored with secondary color....they instead have a pattern of a secondary color (MF have more then one obviously)[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]For intents and purposes as far as i know these are the names of these birds:[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333](yes i know i just said there is no such thing as splash in D'uccles, but to make it more clear to people who keep calling them splash i used the word....mottled is the correct word caused by the mottled gene, mottled is located in the same location as those causing bars in any barred breed. )[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Golden Neck (notice it has gold base white pattern)[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Splash Golden Neck (white base gold pattern)[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Blue Mottled/Splash (blue base white pattern)[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333] [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Black Mottled/Splash (black base white pattern)[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333][COLOR=B42000] [/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]If you look at all those birds they actually have the MF Flower Pattern aka mottled...as i said i have yet to see a splash pattern. Some people will show pics of roosters or cochins that have very long feathers and look like they are a splash when they actually just have a mottled pattern that you cant see because of the long feathers.[/COLOR]

Thank you for your info!! What would you consider this guy to be?

 

[misfitmorgan]

Thats a Golden Neck Rooster and a nice looking one. He has a bit of mahogany leaking into his chest but very nice specimen, good flower size.