Dumbest Things People Have Said About Your Chickens/Eggs/Meat

[oldrooster]

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My parents where both raised on farms, and other than DP and leghorns they rarely saw bantams and they where in essence miniturized versions of leghorns and DP breeds. because in the areas they where raised there where few if any other "fancy" breeds (like all the bantams that are almost all for show not for meat or egg production) They may have seen some cornish crosses but those where rare also, but more common than the fancy bantams, because there where some folks just wanting meat birds, most of their farming neighbors had DP birds, and most caponized the roosters (either chemically or surgacally) and used those for meat. the mini-dp and leghorns where used mostly by elderly folks or couples with just 1 or 2 children where they either didn't need as many eggs or the larger birds for meat, or couldn't afford to feed stndard breeds of birds.

 

[oldrooster]

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the following link is for mature viewers only, it is a clip from Seinfeild even tho it was aired in prime time, it was about chicken, roosters, hens and biology but I don't want to get in trouble here for not warning it may not be appropriate for your 5 year old..

 

[oldrooster]

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I read on one of the threads here on BYC that there where some Amish communities that where breeding hens that would almost only lay double yolkers, like 8-10 per dozen if not better, their breeding program was very selected that they had certain birds for parent stock and other strictly for selling eggs from due to hatchability issues. and apperantly part of the reason they where not all 12 doubles was to get rid of the excess eggs not used for breeding purposes....

 

[tandykins]

Explain please? I thought there were two kinds of dinosaurs, bird like and reptile like? So I assumed birds descended from the bird like and reptiles descended from the reptile like, but I'm ready to be re-educated.

I want to point out that all of this is as I understand it and I may be off in some areas. I am not a biologist (yet).

It's complicated. And actually - to be fair - whether or not dinosaurs could have been considered reptiles depends on your definition of "dinosaur" and your definition of "reptile". Dinosaurs were certainly reptile-like in many respects and are often still considered to have in fact been reptiles - but what we consider reptiles today are so far removed from the dinosaurs, that much of the scientific community no longer believes this to be correct - and dinosaurs are instead often seen to be in a separate group. It's a bit like when there are two similar species that we believe to be in the same genus - but later discover that the link between them isn't as close as we thought and the species is reclassified. These days - we don't consider dinosaurs to be reptiles as often because our understanding of them has broadened and we now know how extraordinarily different they were from what we call a reptile.

When dinosaurs first evolved, we had the amphibians and animals that were reptile-like. Of the reptile-like animals there were the synapsid (which would evolve as mammals) and the diapsids. Within the diapsid branch we have Ichthyopterygia, Lepidosauromorpha and Archosauromorpha (as well as other orders that I'll not get into here). Ichthyopterygia contained ancestral reptiles that went back into the ocean - marine reptiles. Lepidosauromorpha is what evolved into what we consider reptiles today (except crocodilids - I'll get to that in a moment). It contains snakes, lizards, turtles and contained the creatures that would later evolve into these such as plesiosaurs. Then there's Archosauromorpha which is where other animals evolved. From Archosauromorpha we gained pterosaurs (such as pteranodon and quetzoalcoatlus), crocodylomorpha (crocodiles and other crocodylians), and dinosaura (which includes birds as well as the creatures we most typically think of as dinosaurs such as sauropods (Apatosaurus, brachiosaurus),theropods such as T-Rex and velociraptors, Ceratopsids like triceratops and other groups.))

So what I'm trying to say - is that the "dinosaurs" most like birds (pterosaurs) were separate from actual dinosaurs - and did not evolve into birds. Indeed pterosaurs would eventually die off. The group that birds -did- evolve from is the group containing Tyrannosaurus Rex and your standard children's playset of sharp-toothed killer dinosaurs.

What we call "reptiles" now among currently existing animals are crocodiles, turtles, lizards, snakes and so on. Crocodiles are complicated and would require their own lengthy explanation. What's important here is that a long, long time ago - literal dinosaurs and the group now representing reptiles branched off from the same group - but into two very separate group.

Thus, Dinosauria are not what we currently understand to be a "reptile". They are quite far separated from our snakes and lizards. When people say that there are living dinosaurs - expectant eyes always fall on what -looks- like a dinosuar, like a crocodile. But in fact - the living dinosaurs are birds. Aves (the class containing birds) is the only living member of Dinosauria to remain.

So the bird-like "dinosaurs" died out and what evolved into actual birds were the genuinely reptile-like dinosaurs.

Does that make sense? I'm sorry if it's a bit jumbled - and it's mostly from memory. If I'm not completely accurate - I at least hope that I'm close. x.x

 

[tandykins]

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Here's a version of the same video but much better quality. I struggled to hear the audio of the other one. I have heard this argument -so- many times. XD

 

[heartsizedfarm]

I want to point out that all of this is as I understand it and I may be off in some areas.  I am not a biologist (yet).

It's complicated.  And actually - to be fair - whether or not dinosaurs could have been considered reptiles depends on your definition of "dinosaur" and your definition of "reptile".  Dinosaurs were certainly reptile-like in many respects and are often still considered to have in fact been reptiles - but what we consider reptiles today are so far removed from the dinosaurs, that much of the scientific community no longer believes this to be correct - and dinosaurs are instead often seen to be in a separate group. It's a bit like when there are two similar species that we believe to be in the same genus - but later discover that the link between them isn't as close as we thought and the species is reclassified.  These days - we don't consider dinosaurs to be reptiles as often because our understanding of them has broadened and we now know how extraordinarily different they were from what we call a reptile.

When dinosaurs first evolved, we had the amphibians and animals that were reptile-like.  Of the reptile-like animals there were the synapsid (which would evolve as mammals) and the diapsids. Within the diapsid branch we have Ichthyopterygia, Lepidosauromorpha and Archosauromorpha (as well as other orders that I'll not get into here).  Ichthyopterygia contained ancestral reptiles that went back into the ocean - marine reptiles.  Lepidosauromorpha is what evolved into what we consider reptiles today (except crocodilids - I'll get to that in a moment).  It contains snakes, lizards, turtles and contained the creatures that would later evolve into these such as plesiosaurs.  Then there's Archosauromorpha which is where other animals evolved. From Archosauromorpha we gained pterosaurs (such as pteranodon and quetzoalcoatlus), crocodylomorpha (crocodiles and other crocodylians), and dinosaura (which includes birds as well as the creatures we most typically think of as dinosaurs such as sauropods (Apatosaurus, brachiosaurus),theropods such as T-Rex and velociraptors, Ceratopsids like triceratops and other groups.))

So what I'm trying to say - is that the "dinosaurs" most like birds (pterosaurs) were separate from actual dinosaurs - and did not evolve into birds.  Indeed pterosaurs would eventually die off.  The group that birds -did- evolve from is the group containing Tyrannosaurus Rex and your standard children's playset of sharp-toothed killer dinosaurs.

What we call "reptiles" now among currently existing animals are crocodiles, turtles, lizards, snakes and so on. Crocodiles are complicated and would require their own lengthy explanation.  What's important here is that a long, long time ago - literal dinosaurs and the group now representing reptiles branched off from the same group - but into two very separate group.

Thus, Dinosauria are not what we currently understand to be a "reptile".  They are quite far separated from our snakes and lizards.  When people say that there are living dinosaurs - expectant eyes always fall on what -looks- like a dinosuar, like a crocodile.  But in fact - the living dinosaurs are birds. Aves (the class containing birds) is the only living member of Dinosauria to remain.  

So the bird-like "dinosaurs" died out and what evolved into actual birds were the genuinely reptile-like dinosaurs.

Does that make sense?  I'm sorry if it's a bit jumbled - and it's mostly from memory.  If I'm not completely accurate - I at least hope that I'm close. x.x

Thank you. Impressed, educated, and blown away. Where are you from? Where did you get your education? What got you interested in this line of work when you are younger?

 

[heartsizedfarm]

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[heartsizedfarm]

Dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and marine animals are all reptiles.

Def of reptiles very clear. Def of dinosaur very clear. (An archosaur reptile whose legs stick straight out and down instead of jutting off to the side like a crocodile.)

Nobody in the scientific community says dinosaurs were not reptiles.

Birds are properly classified as theropod dinosaurs, therefore birds are reptiles.

Sleepy now. Do the rest later.

 

[heartsizedfarm]

Two main groups of dinosaurs: bird hipped (where the pubis is turned backwards), dinosaurs, like Triceratops, Iguanadon etc, and lizard-hipped dinosaurs where the pubic bone faces forward like Rex.

Now the nifty thing is that birds actually evolved from their lizard-hipped ancestors. She's right about it being called Aves.

Aves is basically the sister group to Velociraptor and Troodon. Sorry, squeamish!

 

[subhanalah]

Dinosaurs, pterosaurs, and marine animals are all reptiles.

Def of reptiles very clear. Def of dinosaur very clear. (An archosaur reptile whose legs stick straight out and down instead of jutting off to the side like a crocodile.)

Nobody in the scientific community says dinosaurs were not reptiles.

Birds are properly classified as theropod dinosaurs, therefore birds are reptiles.

Sleepy now. Do the rest later.

so...what exactly is your definition of a reptile?