Dun and Khaki chicks

[adubsroit]

I am currently working with a Lavender Orpington project bird. He bred some Buff pullets and like the chicken calculator said all of the babies would be splits to Lavender and be either black or dun/fawn. I have seen SOME pictures of dun/fawn birds, but all were mature and what I am looking for are pictures of what a dun/fawn chick would look like (just days old). Only hatched a few out of this cross, they're beyond adorable and I will be sure to get some pictures up soon.

Only one is completely black, four look similar to what a quail d'Anver chick looks like [w/ orange face and black body] and one of those quail looking chicks looks more dark brown than black, possibly dun(?).

 

[gumbii]

are the buff pullets buff fawn...? if they aren't, i don't know how you will get the dun gene in there... it's the same as lavender...

so a lavender over buff should give you blacks..??? i think... breed those blacks back to the rooster and you'll get 50/50 mix of lavenders... then hold back the nice lavenders and breed them to the rooster...

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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That's right.
If the buff are just buff, you arent going to get dun out of them. Looking quail ish is odd too.
But dun chicks are grey usually, a dark smokey grey, and khakis are a powder puff creamy grey. I have them in many d'anver colors, sorry never took a day old pic. But they should be light and dark shades of that smokey grey color, not chocolate brown looking, at least none I have hatched so far have been.

The calculator (henks) buff, automatically turns buff birds into a dun based buff columbian, it IS NOT acurate from true buff birds, it wont even let you enter a true buff. There is a side note on there about that, being so many variables in buff birds, it's just hard for that system to figure them.


buff to lavender, if true buff, should give you just black chicks, they will be split to lavender and buff, back breed them to each other, or back to a true lavender, and get your lavenders. But if something else is popping out, you have impure to the color birds, jusy meaning they are carring other genes which are effecting the out come.

 

[RAREROO]

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Dun isnt the same as Lavender, Dun is Incompletely Dominant and Lavender is Recessive.

Lavender is a dilution of Extended Black and usually when breeding extended black (even if it has dilution genes added as well) You get mostly black birds with a considerable amount of buff leakage, mainly in the breasts, I believe I read that this is due to them inheriting the Dark Brown (DB) gene. And this may be something that would be hard to breed out and I dont think it would be advisable to breed to buffs if the goal is breeding back for solid lavs but if Buff Isabel is the goal. It would work with breeding and juggleing the recessive gene.

 

[adubsroit]

Here are the pictures of the chicks, sorry they aren't that great. The camera usually takes much better pictures but these little guys are just 1-2 days old and skittish around the sounds of the camera's zoom

. The ducklings are Saxony, gorgeous birds and very lively so far, most personable ducks I have kept so far. In the pictures there are also a few Dominiques and the lighter buffs are standard Cornish pullets.



Front and center, this is that sort of Quail looking colored facial markings. This particular chick is also the one that looks dun to me, there is no way it is black and seems way to dark to be buff. The two blacks are from the same hatch, the one in the back has obvious buff/gold/red leakage on it's face but is much less pronounced.

In this picture the chick with the dun looking colored down in above a solid black downed chick.

The dun chick is in the middle of both the following pictures.

This is the mystery chick. The color seems like that of a RIR/Buckeye with a sort of grey/smokey blue/lavender under color that is lighter in areas like bum and tummy. These pictures hardly give it justice, but there also seems to be the slightest amount of chimpmunking down it's back, in that same grey-ish color.

 

[Tony]

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This is a one week old LF Choc Orpington, I hope this helps.

 

[RAREROO]

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They arent Dun or Quail colored, thats the typical color when crossing extended black phases with buff. The lightness of the black would be just from the underlyin buff coloring that will eventually show up.

These are pullets from breeding a Buff roo on Barred hens ( barred is extended black with barring and theses are sexlinks so with them not getting the barring gene it would be the same as crossing a buff with a black hen must as crossing buff with lav is the same as crossing buff with black in the first generation becuase lav is recessive) Notice that the one on the right has the lighter color like you are seeing and they they vary in the ammount of leakage like you were saying as well.

This is one of them at around 5 weeks

And them near maturity

 

[adubsroit]

I know they aren't quail, just reminded of what quail looks like in d'Anvers. It was strange. Also.. Do you think that the variation in my chicks leakage or contrast in color be a sign of some sort of sex linkage?? I'm just throwing it out there because it is obvious that my buffs are obviously carrying something as I assume the Hink-jc originated Lav Orp is pure.

 

[gumbii]

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Dun isnt the same as Lavender, Dun is Incompletely Dominant and Lavender is Recessive.

Lavender is a dilution of Extended Black and usually when breeding extended black (even if it has dilution genes added as well) You get mostly black birds with a considerable amount of buff leakage, mainly in the breasts, I believe I read that this is due to them inheriting the Dark Brown (DB) gene. And this may be something that would be hard to breed out and I dont think it would be advisable to breed to buffs if the goal is breeding back for solid lavs but if Buff Isabel is the goal. It would work with breeding and juggleing the recessive gene.

oh yeah, my bad... but i meant to say that dun like lavender, needs to be present in either of the parents... like if he had a buff dun hen...

i don't know much about dun, i breed lav's...

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Dun isnt the same as Lavender, Dun is Incompletely Dominant and Lavender is Recessive.

Lavender is a dilution of Extended Black and usually when breeding extended black (even if it has dilution genes added as well) You get mostly black birds with a considerable amount of buff leakage, mainly in the breasts, I believe I read that this is due to them inheriting the Dark Brown (DB) gene. And this may be something that would be hard to breed out and I dont think it would be advisable to breed to buffs if the goal is breeding back for solid lavs but if Buff Isabel is the goal. It would work with breeding and juggleing the recessive gene.

oh yeah, my bad... but i meant to say that dun like lavender, needs to be present in either of the parents... like if he had a buff dun hen...

i don't know much about dun, i breed lav's...

Still not wuite sure what you mean. Lavender must be present in both parents for lavender offspring; dun can be present in either or both parents. Lavender requires two copies to show, dun only requires one. Blue is a better analogy for dun as they both give different expression when two genes are present than if one is present.

choc is more similar to lav in inheritance, in that the bird must be pure for the colour to show.