Dutch Bantams Breed Thread

[insanity]

I'll post some more picks when they mature. I did find 2 blue feathers on her left side so I guess she isn't solid white. If they aren't dutch though they probably should go. I have enough mutts. To bad ...

I paid a pretty penny for them. Thanks for the info.

 

[JeanR]

It is pretty sad that Dutch Bantams are in great demand, but few who are selling then (including Hatcheries) have as clue what is a DUTCH BANTAM. There are many websites with information about them, in a number of countries, and of "true Dutch". They are crossed with other bantam breeds in the US and even if they do not have white earlobes and blue legs, they may be called or sold as Dutch Bantams. Laura Haggarty, who started the Dutch Bantam Breed Thread, is not raising/showing them at present, had really good Dutch and did lots of winning, as well as raising lovely birds. Hope she might be able to have them again! The Dutch Bantam Society has had an unavoidable interruption, but is very active again. Website is being updated: www.dutchbantamsociety.net It will have more information that will be useful. Big Shows at Columbus, OH first week of Nov
for Eastern Dutch breeders and late November in Tucson, AZ for Western Dutch breeders. There will be Dutch for sale a both shows.
It should be general knowledge that there are NO BANTAM BREEDS in the US/Can, that are compatible with Dutch. Dutch are one of the oldest breeds of Bantams in The Netherlands. We are limited in varieties of Dutch in the US, to just those that have been imported--not many. NO Blues, NO Blacks, NO Whites, NO Self Blues, All these have been "made" with OEGB crosses or Black Rosecombs, Bantam Leghorns, others, and bring along all the bits of their Type for generations.! Dreadful that you even paid for your bantams as Dutch. I GIVE birds that are not best type--as backyard banties, not as Dutch, and I was able to have imported bloodlines for many years. At present, I have only Mille Fleur and Cream Mille Fleur DUTCH, from Holland, and have had to stop breeding very many because I can no longer ship birds from my area. Can hatch for those who can come to the farm for their birds. I truly like ALL Bantam breeds, but felt I could learn more, and do best with just one breed and only several varieties at a time.....wonderful project over the years, and making friends from all over the world with Dutch Breeders! Good luck..

 

[Greywolf1962]

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[jim sultan]

Does everybody just advertise pictures of Old Dutch bantams for sale because cause i sure can't find any birds. I NEED CHICKENS NOT PICTURES. can you help

 

[Greywolf1962]

Does everybody just advertise pictures of Old Dutch bantams for sale because cause i sure can't find any birds. I NEED CHICKENS NOT PICTURES. can you help

The only place I can find is Ideal Poultry. Alot of place have bantams but no Dutch. If you find somewhere other than Ideal please let me know as well. Thanks

 

[JeanR]

To locate true Dutch Bantams, you will have to locate breeders through the Dutch Bantam Society website, which I understand, is under reconstruction right now. Hatcheries have only crossbreds in Dutch, and chicks will not tell you if the variety is even close to a Dutch variety!!! They do not know, either--just sell "just hatched" chicks. Facebook has a Dutch Bantams, US page now, but again no way to know about their "true" Dutch, unless you know the breeder/poster. Lots of crossbreds are pictured. Show birds are often posted--and their breeders usually have birds for sale--pets, breeding/show birds and often, not overpriced at all. You can locate their Facebook pages. Dutch Bantam Society website: www.dutchbantamsociety.net

Such dear bantams, demand exceeds supply of TRUE DUTCH!

With Dutch, I do not often come to this site, which is for BACKYARD CHICKENS and not a site to learn about Dutch or many other breeds, is a source of keeping backyard chickens of all kinds, not a source of pure breeds, as a rule....great for beginners and friends!!

Need to learn how to post pictures! Can't seem to locate them to post?? My website is out of date and will soon get it worked on!

 

[Rach123]

Hi there,
I posted a while ago trying to find out which colour my first homebred chick would turn with a buff/speckled mother and lavender father. Well the chick has grown into a rather pretty (and noisy) cockerel, was wondering if he would be legible to show in an AOC Dutch bantam class? He looks like a blue partridge but doesn't have a blue breast, do these make him unable to be put in AOC classes? Any help would be much appreciated


His neck His wing (taken a few months ago before so a bit scruffy)

 

[probman]

Hello. What type of Dutch do you raise? I raise Dutch too. I'm from San Francisco. We can get each other's cross bloodlines to keep the strain strong.
Dan

 

[JeanR]

Rach 123, Sorry, I answered your questions, but it posted twice, and when I tried to delete one, apparently it wiped out both!

Your very pretty Dutch is not a variety at all, but a mix of varieties that are not compatible. Buff/Speckled? Is that a Lemon Mille Fleur? If so, to breed DUTCH, she would have to be mated with a Lemon Mille Fleur or a Mille Fleur--no other cross will produce an accepted DUTCH. And like Vegetable soup, with many colors of veggies, you cannot return a soup to its basic broth, by removing a carrot or a tomato--once the veggie is put in, it always leaves its residue color. (paraphrase from Sigi van Dort's book (GENETICS of CHICKEN COLOURS) That is the best explanation of why you cannot cross varieties (colours) that are not compatible. So your lovely colored cockerel cannot lose his "additional genes for color" by any cross you choose--only will add more veggies to any offspring, that will be useless to produce any variety--only attractive "pet backyard banties" and not Dutch.

Your Lavender male should be crossed only with Lavender or Black Dutch--although by many generations of work, with most offspring having to be discarded, there are now, Lavender Cuckoo and several other" Lavender" varieties that are approved in Holland, and can be shown in Holland--and perhaps in UK?. Takes generations and years of work to make a new variety in any breed of Bantam.. Few of us have the space nor can afford the expense of feeding to mature color, the numbers of birds to attain a "pure" new variety."(and know its genetic code).

So your lovely cockerel, would not have a class to enter at a Show. In the UK, To be a Blue Partridge, he would have no red except his back (and red orange) and wing bar, and yes, he would have a blue breast AOC accepts those named varieties that that are approved by the UK Poultry Association. In the US, we have no class as AOC, so without a known variety name, a bird (even a Dutch cross) will not be judged at all. Difficult to get a new variety approved. (Recent Scottish National Show had a great entry and would be a good Show to attend and meet Dutch breeders. There are always birds for sale.) Do you have the web address of the Dutch Bantam Club, with list of breeders? www.dutchbantamclub.org

So, not to discourage you from enjoying your cross variety, very attractive cockerel (he does have a beautiful ear lobe, but a very poor comb) it would, perhaps, be good to locate a Lavender pullet or a Black pullet to go with him. Have seen on of the best Yellow Partridge cockerels-ever--in Scotland! Good luck.

 

[Rach123]

Rach 123, Sorry, I answered your questions, but it posted twice, and when I tried to delete one, apparently it wiped out both!

Your very pretty Dutch is not a variety at all, but a mix of varieties that are not compatible. Buff/Speckled? Is that a Lemon Mille Fleur? If so, to breed DUTCH, she would have to be mated with a Lemon Mille Fleur or a Mille Fleur--no other cross will produce an accepted DUTCH. And like Vegetable soup, with many colors of veggies, you cannot return a soup to its basic broth, by removing a carrot or a tomato--once the veggie is put in, it always leaves its residue color. (paraphrase from Sigi van Dort's book (GENETICS of CHICKEN COLOURS) That is the best explanation of why you cannot cross varieties (colours) that are not compatible. So your lovely colored cockerel cannot lose his "additional genes for color" by any cross you choose--only will add more veggies to any offspring, that will be useless to produce any variety--only attractive "pet backyard banties" and not Dutch.

Your Lavender male should be crossed only with Lavender or Black Dutch--although by many generations of work, with most offspring having to be discarded, there are now, Lavender Cuckoo and several other" Lavender" varieties that are approved in Holland, and can be shown in Holland--and perhaps in UK?. Takes generations and years of work to make a new variety in any breed of Bantam.. Few of us have the space nor can afford the expense of feeding to mature color, the numbers of birds to attain a "pure" new variety."(and know its genetic code).

So your lovely cockerel, would not have a class to enter at a Show. In the UK, To be a Blue Partridge, he would have no red except his back (and red orange) and wing bar, and yes, he would have a blue breast AOC accepts those named varieties that that are approved by the UK Poultry Association. In the US, we have no class as AOC, so without a known variety name, a bird (even a Dutch cross) will not be judged at all. Difficult to get a new variety approved. (Recent Scottish National Show had a great entry and would be a good Show to attend and meet Dutch breeders. There are always birds for sale.) Do you have the web address of the Dutch Bantam Club, with list of breeders? www.dutchbantamclub.org

So, not to discourage you from enjoying your cross variety, very attractive cockerel (he does have a beautiful ear lobe, but a very poor comb) it would, perhaps, be good to locate a Lavender pullet or a Black pullet to go with him. Have seen on of the best Yellow Partridge cockerels-ever--in Scotland! Good luck.

JeanR
Thank you very much for your reply very interesting! I do run a small lavender flock but I picked up this hen pictured below from the same breeder I got my lavender stock from, I have been to his yard and he only breeds Dutch (it is Dutch bantam heaven! He has loads of pens with various colours). He bred my little hen by fluke (by crossing two other colours of Dutch, what he said i can't remember

) and I thought she was rather pretty so I bought her she isn't the best example of a Dutch and I didn't intend on showing her or breeding her and to simply have her as a pet but one of my lavenders went broody so I popped one of her eggs under her and my little cockerel was the result. I'm relatively new to breeding Dutch so I was just looking for confirmation of the blue partridge colour. Believe it or not that is where I went to find breeders about 2 years ago! There are some beautiful birds at these shows, however I think I am a while away from that standard at the moment! But I'm always looking for ways to improve my flock, any advice is much appreciated!

The mother of that cockerel (sorry its the only decent photo I have that shows her colouring)
Cheers again Rach