i dont know, i just think im kinda put off by how much they eat and tear up, compared to the eggs and meat theyd put out, also he constant pooping! in comparision, the games see to hardly do anything and sure i have to eat two for every jumbo from a layer, but the layers i borrowed each ate and other wise (not very hardy or bright, but then again i like my cochins, rosecombs, and dutchies..).. alot more than my whole flock combined. course forgot i sent them home, and threw out way to much food that will probably be wasted now, as maybe a fourth was eaten. so the supposed layers and dual purpose birds are maybe not for me, but exploring new things.