Hi, I have heard geese are very intelligent, My question is, is it difficult to butcher an animal that is that intelligent? Do they know "what's coming"?
Eating a goose??
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Pigs are supposed to be extremely intellegent and I'm sure we eat more of them than any geese. I doubt they know whats coming.
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Yeah, pigs are intelligent, I don't eat them!
My brother raised pigs for meat One of them, when the butcher came out, I'm 100% sure she did know what was coming.
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I doubt that they know what is coming but they are very aware that something different is going on and tend to be skitish. Old timers will tell you never to butcher where the victims can be seen or heard by the ones that you do not intend to kill.
I doubt that they know what is coming but they are very aware that something different is going on and tend to be skitish. Old timers will tell you never to butcher where the victims can be seen or heard by the ones that you do not intend to kill.
People won't eat pigs. People won't eat dogs. People won't eat parrots. So why do people eat geese? I kept a goose as a house pet and in the year that I kept him (had to rehome as he was vicious), I glimpsed the emotional depth and awareness that geese possess. Geese experience and express fear more obviously than any other animal I've seen. The goose I had, for whatever reason, had great issues of phobia despite my calm reassurances. When I changed his diaper, I could hear his heart hammering in his chest. His eyes would go wide, his skin would pale, and he'd gasp in fear. After I was done, he'd run to me and wrap his neck over my shoulder, whimpering as I stroked his neck. I do not kid. Geese are among the most emotional creatures I have ever known.
I could never eat a goose because after raising him, bathing him, having him sleep next to me on the bed at night; after watching him take his first steps, after staring into those wide, sentient blue eyes, I was able to see them all as individuals who experience pain, joy, and even love. If killing a dog is the equivalent of damning yourself to Hell, then why do we eat other animals? And for that matter, above all else, why do we keep them in such horrendous, inhumane situations before we do so? Geese are so, so sensitive to their surroundings. They are sensitive to the suffering of their family members.
I read an article written by a man, some time ago, who studied geese and other farm animals. He was trying to find other methods of farming, rather than factory-based. He said geese were, above all, the smartest and most social animals he encountered. And that they knew they were being slaughtered, and would desperately try to protect their families from being killed, even offering themselves up as if in exchange. Yet again, I am completely serious. These were his findings.
If you want to eat a goose, go for it. I wouldn't do it, but that's me. People who eat geese aren't evil people. People who raise them in horrible situations and slaughter them inhumanely are. Death happens in the wild, but cruelty is entirely human.
I could never eat a goose because after raising him, bathing him, having him sleep next to me on the bed at night; after watching him take his first steps, after staring into those wide, sentient blue eyes, I was able to see them all as individuals who experience pain, joy, and even love. If killing a dog is the equivalent of damning yourself to Hell, then why do we eat other animals? And for that matter, above all else, why do we keep them in such horrendous, inhumane situations before we do so? Geese are so, so sensitive to their surroundings. They are sensitive to the suffering of their family members.
I read an article written by a man, some time ago, who studied geese and other farm animals. He was trying to find other methods of farming, rather than factory-based. He said geese were, above all, the smartest and most social animals he encountered. And that they knew they were being slaughtered, and would desperately try to protect their families from being killed, even offering themselves up as if in exchange. Yet again, I am completely serious. These were his findings.
If you want to eat a goose, go for it. I wouldn't do it, but that's me. People who eat geese aren't evil people. People who raise them in horrible situations and slaughter them inhumanely are. Death happens in the wild, but cruelty is entirely human.
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Thanks for all the info!!
Adrian, this person eats pigs and enjoys them. I have tried dog, cat, and horse and would add them to my menu if they were generally available. Haven't tried parrot, not available and would be expensive I expect.
I suspect your point was that people don't eat their pets and I agree with that, however I have raised 26 geese over the years and only named two of them (my first 2). They were named after people I disliked because the geese and people had the same disagreable personalities. I never let a goose in the house and I darn sure wouldn't have "him sleep next to me on the bed at night"! Evidently you get very attached to your pets!
I grew up on a farm where we ate what we grew but we didn't make pets out of things that would end up on our table even as kids. Us kids were expected to help where we could on butchering days and I suspect it gave us more respect for life than the city kids.
I suspect your point was that people don't eat their pets and I agree with that, however I have raised 26 geese over the years and only named two of them (my first 2). They were named after people I disliked because the geese and people had the same disagreable personalities. I never let a goose in the house and I darn sure wouldn't have "him sleep next to me on the bed at night"! Evidently you get very attached to your pets!
I grew up on a farm where we ate what we grew but we didn't make pets out of things that would end up on our table even as kids. Us kids were expected to help where we could on butchering days and I suspect it gave us more respect for life than the city kids.
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Now, first, geese have disagreeable personalities if they are raised by disagreeable people, or are bred by disagreeable people so that they are well-suited to meat production but are not very personable. There are sweet geese, but disrespectful people don't raise them properly and, for that matter, don't understand the way they function socially. If you walk up to a wild goose and expect it to react like a pet dog, you are asking for a hiss, a nip, a charge. They don't trust strangers and most people won't give them the common courtesy of keeping a distance. It is not a domestic goose's fault that it is predisposed to aggression. It is our fault for breeding them to be fat, unstable, and likely inbred creatures.
That being said, I have nothing against eating animals as long as they are given adequate space to live, an adequate diet, and aren't just crammed into inhumane living spaces. I also do not respect biases (i.e. all mammals are deserving of respect, but birds, fish, and reptiles are primitive and "stupid"). I also cannot respect people who use the term "bird brain" as it is not only ignorant but entirely contradictory to recent scientific discoveries.
The term "bird brain" originated from biased scientists of the past who, when studying the avian brain, made prejudiced decisions about how it functioned, based only on biases against birds and ignorant perceptions of how brain size related to intelligence. However, it has been discovered now that not only do birds possess the equivalent of the cerebral cortex (to quote: "The cerebral cortex is a structure within the brain that plays a key role in memory, attention, perceptual awareness, thought, language, and consciousness."), but that it is not the size of the brain that dictates intelligence and awareness, but the structure, and the number of neurons transmitted within the brain.
That being said, why let a large dog sleep next to you if not a goose? My goose was cleaned, diapered, and content to sleep quietly next to me. Dogs carry parasites, fleas, and bacteria, perhaps more than the farm animals that many consider disgusting or "disagreeable". It is not a written law that some animals are meant to be pets, while others aren't. Geese have been living alongside humans for centuries. They alerted the Romans to intruders while the dogs did not wake. Dogs were not put on this planet to be "man's best friend", nor were cows put here to be "man's best dinner". We chose animals out of chance and convenience.
Saying that I get so attached to my pets (which is not as much the case as you might think I would never dress up dogs in little tu-tus and consider them my children, and in fact find that quite despicable) seems to me to reflect an uttermost disconnection from nature, something that we are part of. Humans, contrary to popular belief, were not beamed onto Earth, god-like in comparison to "lesser" animals, and we are not here to take advantage of creatures less intelligent than us. It is an indisputable fact that humans eat meat, and have evolved doing so. Understanding the mortality of animals is important, but can we not come to terms with our own morality? We are just lucky there isn't a larger, more intelligent predator licking its lips at the idea of a human roast.
Death is a fact of life. That we are the cause of others' deaths is yet another. But can we not take lives with respect? Harboring anger for creatures that don't know any better is adolescent.
Something many of us forget is that we, too, are animals, and that we share this planet with many others that experience pain; some of which that may be more aware than we give them credit for. Who are we to think we are big enough to decide how other animals and for that matter, other people truly are?
In any case, I don't mean insult. These are merely my thoughts. It is a broad topic.
Now, first, geese have disagreeable personalities if they are raised by disagreeable people, or are bred by disagreeable people so that they are well-suited to meat production but are not very personable. There are sweet geese, but disrespectful people don't raise them properly and, for that matter, don't understand the way they function socially. If you walk up to a wild goose and expect it to react like a pet dog, you are asking for a hiss, a nip, a charge. They don't trust strangers and most people won't give them the common courtesy of keeping a distance. It is not a domestic goose's fault that it is predisposed to aggression. It is our fault for breeding them to be fat, unstable, and likely inbred creatures.
That being said, I have nothing against eating animals as long as they are given adequate space to live, an adequate diet, and aren't just crammed into inhumane living spaces. I also do not respect biases (i.e. all mammals are deserving of respect, but birds, fish, and reptiles are primitive and "stupid"). I also cannot respect people who use the term "bird brain" as it is not only ignorant but entirely contradictory to recent scientific discoveries.
The term "bird brain" originated from biased scientists of the past who, when studying the avian brain, made prejudiced decisions about how it functioned, based only on biases against birds and ignorant perceptions of how brain size related to intelligence. However, it has been discovered now that not only do birds possess the equivalent of the cerebral cortex (to quote: "The cerebral cortex is a structure within the brain that plays a key role in memory, attention, perceptual awareness, thought, language, and consciousness."), but that it is not the size of the brain that dictates intelligence and awareness, but the structure, and the number of neurons transmitted within the brain.
That being said, why let a large dog sleep next to you if not a goose? My goose was cleaned, diapered, and content to sleep quietly next to me. Dogs carry parasites, fleas, and bacteria, perhaps more than the farm animals that many consider disgusting or "disagreeable". It is not a written law that some animals are meant to be pets, while others aren't. Geese have been living alongside humans for centuries. They alerted the Romans to intruders while the dogs did not wake. Dogs were not put on this planet to be "man's best friend", nor were cows put here to be "man's best dinner". We chose animals out of chance and convenience.
Saying that I get so attached to my pets (which is not as much the case as you might think I would never dress up dogs in little tu-tus and consider them my children, and in fact find that quite despicable) seems to me to reflect an uttermost disconnection from nature, something that we are part of. Humans, contrary to popular belief, were not beamed onto Earth, god-like in comparison to "lesser" animals, and we are not here to take advantage of creatures less intelligent than us. It is an indisputable fact that humans eat meat, and have evolved doing so. Understanding the mortality of animals is important, but can we not come to terms with our own morality? We are just lucky there isn't a larger, more intelligent predator licking its lips at the idea of a human roast.
Death is a fact of life. That we are the cause of others' deaths is yet another. But can we not take lives with respect? Harboring anger for creatures that don't know any better is adolescent.
Something many of us forget is that we, too, are animals, and that we share this planet with many others that experience pain; some of which that may be more aware than we give them credit for. Who are we to think we are big enough to decide how other animals and for that matter, other people truly are?
In any case, I don't mean insult. These are merely my thoughts. It is a broad topic.
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Well this is a subject thread that I no longer wish to contribute to.
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Adrian states, "geese have disagreeable personalities if they are raised by disagreeable people".
I just have to ask then- does that mean that you are a vicious person? (because you said you had to rehome your goose because it was vicious).
Adrian goes on to say, among other things, "I would never dress up dogs in little tu-tus and consider them my children, and in fact find that quite despicable) seems to me to reflect an uttermost disconnection from nature, something that we are part of".
Um, okay.... a goose in a diaper sleeping in the bed next to you is *not* a disconnection from nature?!? LOL!
I see why you left the thread, goosedragon. LOL
I just have to ask then- does that mean that you are a vicious person? (because you said you had to rehome your goose because it was vicious).
Adrian goes on to say, among other things, "I would never dress up dogs in little tu-tus and consider them my children, and in fact find that quite despicable) seems to me to reflect an uttermost disconnection from nature, something that we are part of".
Um, okay.... a goose in a diaper sleeping in the bed next to you is *not* a disconnection from nature?!? LOL!
I see why you left the thread, goosedragon. LOL
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