EDUCATIONAL INCUBATION & HATCHING CHAT THREAD, w/ Sally Sunshine Shipped Eggs

[FaerieChicken]

I got it in maroon. But I would not recommend the company! I ordered a $20 chicken bracelet as a gift for someone. it never came. i messaged them a number of times-no contact phone. then I tried to respond via facebook and they wont take my messages. No way to get a hold of them if you dont get your order

Oh no that horrible that they don't have contact info. Love that sweater though, I would want to color it Or I know a chickens skull done up like a sugar skull..... Oooh interesting and spooky perhaps.

 

[OneMountainAcres]

Why is it that you dont care for in them?  I might be interested in eggs if you ship. Hell, I'd take the trio if I weren't so dang far away from ya!  I have been wanting to get my self some decent dark egg layers, also some decent true blue layers!  I love Variety

I'm not NPIP so LEGALLY I'm not supposed to ship out of state. Honestly, I haven't had much luck with them. I've spent a lot of money trying to get decent quality marans and I keep ending up with birds that are not even close to what they should look like and egg color hasn't been great. They are terrible layers and only give 2,mauve 3 eggs in a week when they feel like laying. They're not as friendly and social as my other breeds so I think I'll just stick with the welbars for dark eggs. I told my husband last spring that it was my last attempt with BCM. They just don't fit the bill.

 

[daxigait]

I do

Dontcha hate auto correct?

I'd start slowly incrementing light. Perhaps start 15-20 minutes added in the morning every two or three days. That should do the trick.

How do you prevent non-layers from consuming excessive calcium?

Understandable about the affinity to Nutrena. I am buying mostly Nutrena now that our feed co-op isn't active.
I spent 32 years at Ford and though I've had several European cars, I've had dozens of Ford cars and trucks - all the way from Escorts and Focus to F-700s.
I went on an Easter hunt yesterday. I may need to do more exploring before the freezing weather returns. I have lots of pullets that look like they should be laying with only one nest in their building and only one egg so far.
I'll broach the subject of excess calcium for non-layers below.



You sound just like all the old timers that say they feed layer to all their birds and never had a problem.
Hopefully, your young birds aren't eating layer. It is hard enough on roosters and molting hens but chicks definitely can't have that much calcium. Layer is around 4% calcium. Birds to 6 weeks need about 0.8 percent calcium. 6-14 weeks - 0.7%. 14-20 weeks - 0.6%.
It is true that some strains have a resistance to excessive calcium but the research shows that most do not.
With your love of your animals and having learned about the danger of excessive calcium, I'm surprised you don't give nutrition more concern in lieu of saving a dollar a bag on feed.
http://extension.missouri.edu/p/G8352
When most people have a chicken die, they don't get a necropsy and never know that it was kidney damage.
Think about all the things chickens need nutritionally, whether that be amino acids, fats, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals.
With chickens needing a diet requiring carbohydrates, fatty acids, 13 essential amino acids, 13 vitamins, 12 minerals  Doesn't it make sense that a single mineral shouldn't make up 4% of all that intake for a bird not needing it to build egg shells?
If that doesn't make sense, how about the research that shows kidney damage in birds not needing the excessive calcium to build shells?
Chickens have 2 kidneys, each with 3 segments. As long as there are 2 functioning segments, the birds appear normal and continue to lay eggs. When one of the last 2 segments becomes dysfunctional, the bird will die within 24 hours with no other symptoms.
http://nhjy.hzau.edu.cn/kech/synkx/dong/2bao/UrolithiasisChina.pdf

http://www.neobio.biz/database/n-5data5-2/n-5data5-2-7.pdf
http://www.hyline.com/aspx/redbook/redbook.aspx?s=5&p=36
http://www.worldpoultry.net/Breeder...-damage-is-emerging-in-laying-hens-WP008719W/

On poultry farms that don't feed roosters and hens separately, roosters die at 4 times the rate of hens.
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/2337/urolithiasis-in-male-broiler-breeders/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10780656
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12530920
http://www.reproduction-online.org/content/early/2011/06/13/REP-11-0131.full.pdf

,Yes, especially since I am mobile with a small typing box, and I often in a hurry or doing two things at once.
I went to the REI garage sale today. A friend told me to have a blast. I told her shopping and a blast to me are an oxymoron. I did get a lot accomplished by getting hands on with things I needed and had to decide between.


I hope you are all having a good day.

 

[kajira]

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my silkies are outside now lol

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the black cochin, is this white cochin's baby!!! :O

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my EE started laying me green eggs!

 

[daxigait]

[COLOR=333333]I'm at day 20.. one of my egg has already piped internally.. it has cracked the shell but the white membrane didn't seem to pierce.. (it has been 3hours)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=333333]My question is, how much the oxygen in the aircell will last ?   [/COLOR]
[COLOR=333333]I don't want to help but if it only means piercing the membrane I would.. [/COLOR]

@Sally Sunshine@BantyChooks@mlm Mike

 

[daxigait]

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my silkies are outside now lol

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the black cochin, is this white cochin's baby!!! :O

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my EE started laying me green eggs!

Beautiful and congratulations!

 

[kajira]

Beautiful and congratulations!

I know and what's dumb, is i'm excited for my EE to lay more eggs, so I can incubate some. I'm an addict. /sigh.

 

[daxigait]

I know and what's dumb, is i'm excited for my EE to lay more eggs, so I can incubate some. I'm an addict. /sigh.

Can you help with the question above? I don't know enough.

 

[ocap]

Quote:
that statement seems redundant

 

[kajira]

I'm at day 20.. one of my egg has already piped internally.. it has cracked the shell but the white membrane didn't seem to pierce.. (it has been 3hours)
My question is, how much the oxygen in the aircell will last ?
I don't want to help but if it only means piercing the membrane I would..

Just keep an eye on it - as long as it's peeping, your bird is fine. if you're THAT worried, yes, you can poke a hole in the membrane and put it back. I did that for one of my chicks that got tired, and then it hatched the next day.

I also had one I did that for, that died in the shell. sometimes if they can't finish the job, they are too weak to be born.