EDUCATIONAL INCUBATION & HATCHING CHAT THREAD, w/ Sally Sunshine Shipped Eggs

[BullChick]

I respect every one decision but can you please explain to me the logic of not giving birth in hospital?

If you were around for Duckling's birth, you'd understand.

 

[kajira]

I had to share this photo, he wasn't even an hr. Old yet. Still wondering what in the world happened. Man, what a night it was! Long story short. She's had a few home births..
All went well. She moved. New midwife. I didn't mind the way things were going at first. Daughter did so well..clear up to when she started to push a bit on her own. Midwife has her get out of the tub to try pushing I'm a different way. Tried 3 different ways. Poor daughter is still being so gracious and calm, but after 2 hrs. Of hard hard pushing she just can't. She had asked after 1 hr. when going to the hospital would be a good idea. Man I wish that her mom and myself had done something sooner. This midwife and helpers just wouldn't let up with all of these weird ways of theirs. Finally, our daughter couldn't get up to go try yet another way...by then, her mom and I had decided to call 911. Enough! Well, the midwife says, they can stand by, I don't want them up here in this room. I haven't raised my voice to another like I did then, in a long time.. saying.. Yes! We want them in here! They came, I gave them the update. The main guy talks to daughter. She says, ok. He says, let's go! She has the baby in the ambulance on the way. Yep. She says she thinks she just needed a rest from all of what was going on before they came. She wasn't pushing hard while info was being gathered and she was being prepared for transport. She laid on her left side as she asked to do... something the midwife wouldn't let her do when she asked earlier before. Did I say.... long story short?? Trust me this isn't the half of it. Bless her heart. Baby and mom are doing well. Glad she went to the hospital, she was bleeding more than she should, and .. She had very large clots. The dr. had to make sure those were taken care of, and the nurses came in every 15 mins. to check her bleeding, that did get to normal after a bit. Whew. Now. Guess what I did before all of this happened?? I fell down their stairs. Messed up my right knee and my left wrist/ hand. I didn't go to a dr. Stayed. And, very glad I did. Went today. I have a small fracture in my left hand, very small. So, a brace. I had put ice on both that night..helped the knee, but had a lot of fluid taken out at visit. Couldn't get into my orthopedic.. so will take cd of xrays and copy of visit to him come next Thursday. Now. After allll of that, it was...very wort it. Ok, I did NOT pinch him. lol.. Poor little one had been through a lot too. I love that bottom lip .. he was telling Grandma all about it. View attachment 1158396

guh!! I'm glad she's okay - and I'm so sorry the midwife did that! I cannot believe she'd behave that way. But, I guess it takes all kind. We accidentally delivered the baby on our own, and I think things progressed so smoothly was because I labored by myself and just listened to my body. Labor never hurt, I didn't even know I was in active labor and about to have a baby until about 15 minutes before she was born, then it was too late to move me, she was coming out! LOL

I respect every one decision but can you please explain to me the logic of not giving birth in hospital?

In the USA - Hospitals are notorious for unneeded medical interventions and even causing complications that wouldn't otherwise happen in natural, low intervention births in healthy women.

Case in point. I was induced with #1, and it almost killed me.
#2 was a homebirth with a midwife, zero complications.
Doctor screwed shit up, #3 was a forced c-section, that led to an early birth of my twins, and one died in the hospital at 3 weeks old.
#4 was an accidental out of hospital birth with zero complications because I wouldn't let people touch me. lol
This pregnancy, is going well, my doctor is completely hands off - but when and if I go into the hospital this time - even if *she's* hands off, the hospital has all these protocols for IV's and other interventions that are required the minute I step foot on ground. I can't just labor, how I want, with the occasional monitoring as needed, being mostly left to my own devices.

The USA is not the most "Labor" friendly place to give birth.

Checking the patients for progress, isn't even a good idea, because every vaginal check introduces bacteria, increasing infection risks to mom/baby. And, not all mom dilate the same way.
I would get labled failure to progress with their dilation of 1cm per hour rule. I do all my dilating in the last 45 minutes. So i'd either get "sent home" under the guise of not being in labor and give birth in the car or at home, or I'd get them wanting to push pitocin or other interventions on me because I don't present traditional labor symptoms. I also don't feel pain the way most women do - I don't have labor pains until the last hour of birth and it's over fast for me. If they aren't ready, I'm catching the baby. LOL

A lot of people are not birthing in hospitals because of the way that hospitals treat maternity patients. The sheer levels of intervention and the pushing of medication when there's no medical need for it is believed to cause a lot of stress that can slow down labor. It's becoming a "thing" in the United States for those reasons but here in Europe hospitals no longer do a lot of those things (the most invasive thing my hospital does is put in a line for "just in case" and progress checks every hour) and we have ready access to birth centers.

ETA: Home births are much safer now than in the past though, and if that's your preference than I say go for it! If you have a good midwife then normally things go smoothly and being in a familiar and calm environment helps a lot with stress in natural births.

^^^ What she said. Even the hourly checks for progress aren't recommended anymore. It can stall labor. Low intervention births means, no fingers in the vagina! Mom's body will progress, and it doesn't have a set pattern. Whoever decided that women give birth by X week, and in X pattern, didn't apparently see enough labors to realize that while that may seem common, it's actually not as likely to work just like that, too.

That's when things go down hill, when hospitals base labor policies on trying to free up beds with in 24 hours of admittance to L and D floors.

 

[hippiestink]

guh!! I'm glad she's okay - and I'm so sorry the midwife did that! I cannot believe she'd behave that way. But, I guess it takes all kind. We accidentally delivered the baby on our own, and I think things progressed so smoothly was because I labored by myself and just listened to my body. Labor never hurt, I didn't even know I was in active labor and about to have a baby until about 15 minutes before she was born, then it was too late to move me, she was coming out! LOL



In the USA - Hospitals are notorious for unneeded medical interventions and even causing complications that wouldn't otherwise happen in natural, low intervention births in healthy women.

Case in point. I was induced with #1, and it almost killed me.
#2 was a homebirth with a midwife, zero complications.
Doctor screwed shit up, #3 was a forced c-section, that led to an early birth of my twins, and one died in the hospital at 3 weeks old.
#4 was an accidental out of hospital birth with zero complications because I wouldn't let people touch me. lol
This pregnancy, is going well, my doctor is completely hands off - but when and if I go into the hospital this time - even if *she's* hands off, the hospital has all these protocols for IV's and other interventions that are required the minute I step foot on ground. I can't just labor, how I want, with the occasional monitoring as needed, being mostly left to my own devices.

The USA is not the most "Labor" friendly place to give birth.

Checking the patients for progress, isn't even a good idea, because every vaginal check introduces bacteria, increasing infection risks to mom/baby. And, not all mom dilate the same way.
I would get labled failure to progress with their dilation of 1cm per hour rule. I do all my dilating in the last 45 minutes. So i'd either get "sent home" under the guise of not being in labor and give birth in the car or at home, or I'd get them wanting to push pitocin or other interventions on me because I don't present traditional labor symptoms. I also don't feel pain the way most women do - I don't have labor pains until the last hour of birth and it's over fast for me. If they aren't ready, I'm catching the baby. LOL



^^^ What she said. Even the hourly checks for progress aren't recommended anymore. It can stall labor. Low intervention births means, no fingers in the vagina! Mom's body will progress, and it doesn't have a set pattern. Whoever decided that women give birth by X week, and in X pattern, didn't apparently see enough labors to realize that while that may seem common, it's actually not as likely to work just like that, too.

That's when things go down hill, when hospitals base labor policies on trying to free up beds with in 24 hours of admittance to L and D floors.

Yeah I was surprised my hospital said we had to do hourly checks and have an IV. My OB (who works at the hospital) and midwife (also works at the hospital) assured me this wasn't going to be the case so next week at both appointments I'm getting confirmation on that. It seems unlikely to me that they would change their policy over the course of only a month.

 

[hippiestink]

That feeling when a customer messages you THREE TIMES in less than a minute with the same friggin question. Seriously, just the one PM would have sufficed.

 

[BullChick]

We have to have written permission to have a home birth. Maybe because we are so far from hospitals. It's wonderful how all the local hospitals have shut down. But, they didn't handle maternity anyway.
There's one for you. Not all hospitals will accept maternity patients!

 

[kajira]

Yeah I was surprised my hospital said we had to do hourly checks and have an IV. My OB (who works at the hospital) and midwife (also works at the hospital) assured me this wasn't going to be the case so next week at both appointments I'm getting confirmation on that. It seems unlikely to me that they would change their policy over the course of only a month.

I'm going to refuse vaginal checks - I will allow them to strip my membranes pre-labor starting, or do a foley bulb induction in office. If it didn't kick start labor - then we wait. lol
I plan on doing what I did last pregnancy, starting herbs around 36 weeks, and preparing myself. Lots of sex - hubby doesn't mind, although in both my "out of hospital births" he did complain that I broke him a couple times and he can't keep up with me at the end. Hey, he can barely keep up with me now! (TMI) This is the first pregnancy I've been told I can do whatever I want since my cervix has been 4+ the entire time and I'm not showing signs of anything weird happening. So, i've been taking advantage of that permission!

I was already warned that they likely wouldn't allow me to refuse an IV - or a heplock. Even if I signed a medical waiver. I'm not happy about it - so my goal is to labor in the hallways and check in when it's too late to check me or stick me with IV's. LOL

I'll do preventative antibiotics/probitiocs between 30-36 weeks to make sure my GBS test has a better chance of coming back negative so they won't want me there to give me antibiotics.

 

[kajira]

We have to have written permission to have a home birth. Maybe because we are so far from hospitals. It's wonderful how all the local hospitals have shut down. But, they didn't handle maternity anyway.
There's one for you. Not all hospitals will accept maternity patients!

Ours won't take vbac patients - if you come in, even if you've HAD a previous vbac with no complications, they'll force you into the OR, per hospital policy.

 

[hippiestink]

I'm going to refuse vaginal checks - I will allow them to strip my membranes pre-labor starting, or do a foley bulb induction in office. If it didn't kick start labor - then we wait. lol
I plan on doing what I did last pregnancy, starting herbs around 36 weeks, and preparing myself. Lots of sex - hubby doesn't mind, although in both my "out of hospital births" he did complain that I broke him a couple times and he can't keep up with me at the end. Hey, he can barely keep up with me now! (TMI) This is the first pregnancy I've been told I can do whatever I want since my cervix has been 4+ the entire time and I'm not showing signs of anything weird happening. So, i've been taking advantage of that permission!

I was already warned that they likely wouldn't allow me to refuse an IV - or a heplock. Even if I signed a medical waiver. I'm not happy about it - so my goal is to labor in the hallways and check in when it's too late to check me or stick me with IV's. LOL

I'll do preventative antibiotics/probitiocs between 30-36 weeks to make sure my GBS test has a better chance of coming back negative so they won't want me there to give me antibiotics.

Small miracles. I've been religiously drinking red raspberry leaf tea and regularly having sex with my husband to prevent tearing, so I totally get where you're coming from. XD

Yeah we don't have to have the actual IV line, just the needle. We're encouraged to walk and use either the shower/tub or the birthing ball, to lessen the need for intervention. They also consider episiotomies a "last resort" and often will not do one if birth is progressing normally. I'm sure if I pushed the issue I would be able to refuse the hourly checks, but the concern for me is the heplock/IV needle.

 

[kajira]

Small miracles. I've been religiously drinking red raspberry leaf tea and regularly having sex with my husband to prevent tearing, so I totally get where you're coming from. XD

Yeah we don't have to have the actual IV line, just the needle. We're encouraged to walk and use either the shower/tub or the birthing ball, to lessen the need for intervention. They also consider episiotomies a "last resort" and often will not do one if birth is progressing normally. I'm sure if I pushed the issue I would be able to refuse the hourly checks, but the concern for me is the heplock/IV needle.

I'm similar. It's the IV being put in that bugs me more than most other things. I can labor in water, or on a ball - but I'm a walker during labor. I like to walk the stairs. My doctor just made me promise to make it semi close to the birthing unit to check in so she doesn't have to find and deliver me in an elevator or stairwell. LOL

I understand why they want the IV in - but my problem is it irritates my skin, it stresses me and my body out, it makes me want to rip it out and itches the entire time I'm in labor. That makes it hard for me to do my thing and try to remember not to remove it. I subconsciously will pull at things like that, and as soon as I hit transition, everything comes off, I can't handle anything touching my skin. I know having an IV during pushing phase will make me agitated

 

[hippiestink]

I'm similar. It's the IV being put in that bugs me more than most other things. I can labor in water, or on a ball - but I'm a walker during labor. I like to walk the stairs. My doctor just made me promise to make it semi close to the birthing unit to check in so she doesn't have to find and deliver me in an elevator or stairwell. LOL

I understand why they want the IV in - but my problem is it irritates my skin, it stresses me and my body out, it makes me want to rip it out and itches the entire time I'm in labor. That makes it hard for me to do my thing and try to remember not to remove it. I subconsciously will pull at things like that, and as soon as I hit transition, everything comes off, I can't handle anything touching my skin. I know having an IV during pushing phase will make me agitated

Same here, the IV being put in bugs the heck out of me and then on top of it whenever the needle is jostled or something it always hurts. At least I don't cry like a little baby with needles anymore, got over that quick with all the blood draws I've had done since handling my own medical stuff. XD