Good night my freinds it is tomorrow already!
EDUCATIONAL INCUBATION & HATCHING CHAT THREAD, w/ Sally Sunshine Shipped Eggs
- Thread starter Sally Sunshine
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Night Benny
Good night!
Where did everyone go?
Dunno
Off cleaningWhere did everyone go?
Me too, but everyone for two hours?!
I'm doing read back.Where did everyone go?
@chicken hawk 33
I gave you a great opportunity to get started into a rare breed. After I offered to give you those Ayam Cemani eggs, at my expense, I was advised that you make a habit of taking advantage of people. But I made the offer, so I sent you the eggs. I since asked you to not bother me again. But you continue to fill my in-box, and you continue to post on various threads.
Since you want to discuss things here, lets do that.
Let's discuss that you didn't even know what this breed was before accepting the eggs.
Let's discuss how you were more interested in ascertaining the value of the eggs instead of taking a few minutes to provide shipping information.
Let's discuss that you seemed to be only interested in using your opportunity to make money.
Let's discuss why you won't stop messaging me.
Let's discuss why I'm not answering your PMs fast enough.
Let's discuss why you wouldn't look for the many pictures of my birds I had already posted on BYC instead of asking me to PM them to you.
Let's discuss why you won't do any of your own research on the breed, to answer your own questions?
But you want answers here about feathered legs? ok!
Ayam Cemani are a work in progress. It is not a finished breed. In fact, some would argue it's not a breed at all. Many consider it a land race, and as such, things crop up from time to time. Even in the oldest of breeds from the best of breeders, not all chicks make the cut. I have not kept exact records, but I estimate that I keep about 3% to 5% of my chicks as potential future breeders. Approximately 25% or more get culled at hatch due to either white on the toes or white wing tips. The rest are offered for sale locally. I have noticed that some unsold chicks turn out better than the ones I initially selected to keep. You just can't be sure what you're going to end up with based on an assessment as chicks. Let me repeat - You cannot know how they will grow out until they are all grown out and mature. I would grow them all out if I could.
I cannot tell you why you have a chick with feathered legs. I do not understand the genetics for feathered legs. Yes, I did see a few chicks this year with that undesirable trait. I'm trying to get rid of it. I have checked all my breeders for it, and I cull every chick that shows it. I do not keep feathered legs in my breeding flock. Yet it crops up from time to time.
I have made great improvements in my Ayam Cemani flocks, but I am nowhere near the finish line. I did not represent that I was. I only offered to give some lucky persons an opportunity to get involved with the breed. Why? Because I am positive there are some people who would love the opportunity, and can do great work to improve the breed, but due to current circumstances just can't invest much money to get that start. I'm also positive some people would just love to add a really cool breed to their mixed flock but cannot justify the cost. And I also don't believe in gouging people. Just because someone can ask for a premium for what they sell doesn't mean they should.
I feel bad that you not only got a chick with excessive white on the toes, but that you also got one with some feathering on it's shanks. However, you also got two other chicks that could very well mature into nice specimens. Only time will tell.
There are some Ayam Cemani threads on BYC. You are welcome to join them, read them, ask questions, get pointers, etc.
I gave you a great opportunity to get started into a rare breed. After I offered to give you those Ayam Cemani eggs, at my expense, I was advised that you make a habit of taking advantage of people. But I made the offer, so I sent you the eggs. I since asked you to not bother me again. But you continue to fill my in-box, and you continue to post on various threads.
Since you want to discuss things here, lets do that.
Let's discuss that you didn't even know what this breed was before accepting the eggs.
Let's discuss how you were more interested in ascertaining the value of the eggs instead of taking a few minutes to provide shipping information.
Let's discuss that you seemed to be only interested in using your opportunity to make money.
Let's discuss why you won't stop messaging me.
Let's discuss why I'm not answering your PMs fast enough.
Let's discuss why you wouldn't look for the many pictures of my birds I had already posted on BYC instead of asking me to PM them to you.
Let's discuss why you won't do any of your own research on the breed, to answer your own questions?
But you want answers here about feathered legs? ok!
Ayam Cemani are a work in progress. It is not a finished breed. In fact, some would argue it's not a breed at all. Many consider it a land race, and as such, things crop up from time to time. Even in the oldest of breeds from the best of breeders, not all chicks make the cut. I have not kept exact records, but I estimate that I keep about 3% to 5% of my chicks as potential future breeders. Approximately 25% or more get culled at hatch due to either white on the toes or white wing tips. The rest are offered for sale locally. I have noticed that some unsold chicks turn out better than the ones I initially selected to keep. You just can't be sure what you're going to end up with based on an assessment as chicks. Let me repeat - You cannot know how they will grow out until they are all grown out and mature. I would grow them all out if I could.
I cannot tell you why you have a chick with feathered legs. I do not understand the genetics for feathered legs. Yes, I did see a few chicks this year with that undesirable trait. I'm trying to get rid of it. I have checked all my breeders for it, and I cull every chick that shows it. I do not keep feathered legs in my breeding flock. Yet it crops up from time to time.
I have made great improvements in my Ayam Cemani flocks, but I am nowhere near the finish line. I did not represent that I was. I only offered to give some lucky persons an opportunity to get involved with the breed. Why? Because I am positive there are some people who would love the opportunity, and can do great work to improve the breed, but due to current circumstances just can't invest much money to get that start. I'm also positive some people would just love to add a really cool breed to their mixed flock but cannot justify the cost. And I also don't believe in gouging people. Just because someone can ask for a premium for what they sell doesn't mean they should.
I feel bad that you not only got a chick with excessive white on the toes, but that you also got one with some feathering on it's shanks. However, you also got two other chicks that could very well mature into nice specimens. Only time will tell.
There are some Ayam Cemani threads on BYC. You are welcome to join them, read them, ask questions, get pointers, etc.
Well I was gone for two hours fixing roosters. Now it's dinner, but not chicken
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