So I now have 8 baby chicks, and more on the way...some of them I guess decided they were ready and popped out, a few others died and several I guess either weren't fertile or died very early in the development stage, I still have 23 eggs in the bator, 3 of them are just starting to peep, and several more are moving a little...So far everyone is healthy. Although this group is turning out good even though very late, I will plan on re-reading the listed above articles and see if I can do better for the next batch when I'm ready to do it again...I am really hoping I get a brooder from this group, and am looking to see where I can get my hands on an already matured brooder. Thank you all for the help.