the one in the back that's also on the right really looks full embden to me with your new photos. the other one, i have no idea. of course it depends on the purity of the breed you started with. our first run of chinese white we purchased as goslings were pure white when mature and fully feathered. a few years later we purchase some more stock from a different hatchery and one of the "chinese whites" has definite beige in her plumage so even tho we purchased chinese whites, she obviously isn't bred well. doesn't bother us, but if we ever hatch her eggs, who knows what we might get.