EMERGANCY! Illness & dead birds I need help fast!~UPDATE on page 3~

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I would be careful as I've seen eyes closed in Pasteurella, too. Really unless you get one tested, or unless it's one that has a weird effect like a very bad smell, then it's very hard to genuinely tell what's wrong on the internet - or even in person. That's why if you start losing more than one here or there, a flock should be tested if you even have any symptoms of some of the big ones like MG, ILT, etc.
 
They can pick up this stuff anywhere - through the egg if MG, through carrier birds or even on your shoes for alot of things.

I'm glad you liked that site. There are diseases that are similar and sometimes it's good to have a sort of summary of what some distinguishing symptoms or characteristics are. I am a visual person, so I like having a visual summary.
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On the meds, I'd just give the meds alone. You can give pedialyte (I buy generic) or gatorade to make a quickly eaten wet mash to serve them up their yogurt, etc, for a first thing in the day meal if you feel their water consumption isn't up to stuff.

And you're very welcome.
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After extensive searching I am now convinced that the problem in the juvinile pen is not MG thank goodness! Now I am still treating with Sulmet and will continue to do so for a full 7 days! Now what I am seeing is the problem is making its rounds to every bird in that pen.
All the birds are showing the signs and symtoms of cholera and some have fluid from nostrils. No more have died which is a good thing because maybe that means the Sulmet is working. The birds are becoming more active for the most part so I think they are improving.
I chose to use Sulmet because it treats 3 different illness's.
Now on the probiotics I will be getting them once I have some more money.
Now as for the cleaning and sanitation issue with this coop and pen advice needed.
Coop is built using press board, it looks alot like plywood but cheaper.
Coop is off the ground.
The pen is on grass/dirt. What would the best disinfectant be?
What is Oxine? How is it used? Thanks all!
 
Now you know why I keep Sulmet on hand. For some reason it gets a bad rap sometimes - and I"m not sure why. It's been of wonderful use here, and when you have something that's very vague, it does indeed treat more than one respiratory type illness. I believe you can even use it in conjunction with meds that treat MG. But I like your plan.

On the probiotics, you could use plain yogurt - it's cheaper. Heck you could technically use flavored in a bind - just try to strain the bigger bits out. I just recommend plain because I dont like a lot of sugar added or artificial flavors added, and I like to avoid the problem of people feeding pieces of fruit to birds who aren't eating grit. So I give the conservative answer: plain.. That might at least get them through the 7 days.

I'm very glad to hear that they're at least stabilized!!

On the disinfectant, the best one is supposed to be Oxine. It's one that you can actually use on the ground - but the ground does need time to rest for it to best work. But since you can mist the air with oxine, you can use it in their water (which I personally do NOT recommend as it's an antibacterial and our birds depend highly on their good bacteria), but it's safe enough for that - you can certainly use it all on the coops and ground.

And honestly, another great disinfectant is sunshine. But I'm assuming this is a permanent, not mobile, coop yes?

Here's an article that after going off on a bit of a tangent has some really great ways to use it. As for biofilm, I recommend organic apple cider vinegar instead. It adds beneficial bacteria, doesn't deter good bacteria, but will still keep the waterers free of biofilm and fresh smelling, and helps feed utilization as well as being a nice source of potassium in the summertime.

http://www.shagbarkbantams.com/oxine.htm

You can replace the bedding probably to good effect in the coop after this is done, or now and again after this is done
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Please remember unless you have them tested there are illnesses that they can "recover" from and still be carriers of, so unless you willing do the testing don't sell any of your birds to anyone....even if they seem to be ok.
 
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You are right that one of the MG symptoms is closed eyes but this is not the only indicator for MG.

Nor is every case of closed eyes a guarantee that birds have MG.

Closed eyes can signal other illnesses and diseases also and some things birds can recover from without long term problems.

Testing birds with symptoms similar to MG or other diseases is the only way to know for certain what is or is not wrong with them. Often the lab can tell you which medication to use too.

Sometimes it is hard to do this, ask me I know first hand, but it will help to more acurately treat your flock.

Hope things will improve and all will get well
 

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