Farming and Homesteading Heritage Poultry

[catdaddyfro]

Good post. The problem nowadays is that most folks eat 'food-like products' instead of real food.

Cheese Wiz comes to mind and Velveeta mostly soy bean/oil products I can't stand cheese anyhow but the imitations are even a worse stomach turner for me

LOL

JeffI

Oh yeah the lastest Oscar Mayer hot dog commercial ends in saying its a "gluten free" product LOL of course I sometims forget to add my wheat middlings to my chilli dogs on occasion glad they reminded me of that LOL

 

[aveca]

i work at a hospital so from first hand experience..it is not hysteria..one of our employees had a package of those peanut butter crackers in her desk..ate about three of them for a snack befor lunch..now has well of 1 half of large intestine removed..was in intensive care almost died..stay in intensive care was months with costs tottaling in the millions.., it was after the peanut recall..she never gave eating 3 crackers a second thought..thought since they were sold they were safe..that package contained e coli as showed in the test..the stomach illness is much more virulent tody..there have been paralasis from fish product ..we had a baby whos skin literally peeled off in icu ccu for months recovering from food borne illness..they train the regulators to look the other way..i wont explain to you how much this type incident cozts the taxpayer az that person is now fully disabled..

remember the salmonalla egg outbreak? well millions of those sa.onella eggs were sent to be baked into many cookie brands..i thought yes its safe thou it did cause people lot of sick time with minor digestive upsets..my thought was ..i thought america had much higher standards tban this..lot of people walking around with diarreah and didnt know why..they told hospital staff that the complaints would be walking in the door , such as ....boy...those cookies didnt settle well with me..
im sure people would not have eaten those products had they been told what was baked in..no one was told..we knew because of the med journal memos.

 

[Arielle]

cat daddy-- thanks for the laugh. I look for Nathans now. All beef. THough I"m happy with anything all meat and no fillers and NO sugar.( shudders)

@ cappy vally chick-- you are so right. I loved animals, went to college to study animal science. Farrowing crates and chains for sure. I did learn to question the manufactuers and sellers of chemicals for the farm. At a public seminar, Dr Barton provided studies that showed the amt of drying agent sprayed on the cut hay was two times the rate that the manufaactuer recommeded. THe rep for the manufacter would not acknowledge the findings and stood by the recommendations. At twice the concentration it was no longer economical to use. So I don't throw the baby out with the bath water, universities do have their value. Fast forward 25 years. I'm learning other ways now. Thanks to a chicken named Arielle who came to us about 3 years ago: One thing led to another and I found BYC; and from BYC other resources. Thankfully DH and I have a good base of knowledge to work from and a bit of land that has not been destoyed by pesticides and clear cutting.

We have moved to more home grown meats ( chicken, turkey, duck, goose, and will add rabbit possibly. ( bambi syndrome here) and increase the veg and fruits we grow .

 

[bnjrob]

i work at a hospital so from first hand experience..it is not hysteria..one of our employees had a package of those peanut butter crackers in her desk..ate about three of them for a snack befor lunch..now has well of 1 half of large intestine removed..was in intensive care almost died..stay in intensive care was months with costs tottaling in the millions.., it was after the peanut recall..she never gave eating 3 crackers a second thought..thought since they were sold they were safe..that package contained e coli as showed in the test..the stomach illness is much more virulent tody..there have been paralasis from fish product ..we had a baby whos skin literally peeled off in icu ccu for months recovering from food borne illness..they train the regulators to look the other way..i wont explain to you how much this type incident cozts the taxpayer az that person is now fully disabled..

remember the salmonalla egg outbreak? well millions of those sa.onella eggs were sent to be baked into many cookie brands..i thought yes its safe thou it did cause people lot of sick time with minor digestive upsets..my thought was ..i thought america had much higher standards tban this..lot of people walking around with diarreah and didnt know why..they told hospital staff that the complaints would be walking in the door , such as ....boy...those cookies didnt settle well with me..
im sure people would not have eaten those products had they been told what was baked in..no one was told..we knew because of the med journal memos.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I understand how devastating it can be for the people that have things happen to them. Been a nurse more than 20 years and I've seen my share. Currently I do consulting work and often assist attorneys with estimating long term medical care costs for people who have been injured.

And while it seems horrific when you see individual cases, especially when it is someone you know, the reality is that when you consider how many people come into contact with the same thing all over the United States, a lot of these foodborne/animalborne illnesses are blown incredibly out of proportion.

People lose their objectivity when something negative happens to them or someone they love. It's the nature of being human. The fact remains that we should be looking at what is best for the whole, not for particular individuals. No matter how horrible it may seem to see someone go through something like you mentions. But when people begin to try to force their fears onto others through ridiculous regulations, that's a big problem. Healthcare has been regulated to death and yet we still haven't fixed the problems in healthcare - trying to regulate every bit of everything because of mass hysteria is NOT a very good answer.

 

[colburg]

Its not government so much much as corporate farms like monsantos..they try to run small farmers out..threaten them.. its along story..but they do tend to place their people in high positions of government using any sort of deception..through TV ..people are gullible too..believe every word of it ..hook line and sinker they belive anything that TV tells them so the deceived vote for the chosen polititians who work for huge corporate farms..they get huge kickbacks for their effots of deception....these corporations are greed on steroids..the government is their puppet..just today reports of a very strange stomach virus hitting the US..it is news this morning..as result of corporate farming, cheap labor , and poor disease control...strange pesticides ...someday people will wake up..some have already..farmers are hevily subsidized in some European countries should be here too..because most of those farms are small artisan cheese or sausage makers with much more flavor..it is very successful.

NO, NO, NO. Get the govt out of it. ALL of it. Like some others have said, the regulations are driving the small farms and artisans out of business. Who issues the regulations? Government.


When I say ALL of it, I mean ALL. Subsidies, price floors and ceilings, regulations...ALL of it. Besides, when has a little farmer ever received a subsidy? All I've ever been offered is an emergency loan, and those aren't free...Not that I'd take it if it was.


Subsidies skew the markets into unrealistic falsehoods. Example(completely made up): Peanut prices aren't high enough to keep farmers from going under. Govt sets a floor or gives the farmer a subsidy. This costs consumers more money, either through taxes for the subsidy, or higher prices. Other farmers see peanut growers making a little more and plant more peanuts themselves. More subsidies role out because there are more peanuts to be sold with no more buyers.


What should have happened is either farmers plant less peanuts and prices rise, or farmers keep on planting peanuts and go under for not realizing the market was telling them there were too many peanuts and prices kept declining.


Real Life Example: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...in-farmer-fights-state-government-regulation/

"At the center of the dispute is a law passed by Congress in 1937 aimed at protecting impoverished farmers by controlling supply and demand for dried grapes after the Great Depression."


Yeah right, since when has Uncle Sam protected farmers by stealing from them.


OK, off my soap box.

 

[bnjrob]

Amen!

 

[aveca]

we know how insurace adjusters work..utilization review..i think having 3 quarters of your internal workings removed is hardly some minor case of stomach ach...oh trust me..your insurance company would pay for some of your care.then you would get the bums rush..its quite lovley when insurance cuts them off..i sometimes wish they would just do away with insurance altogether..they have in some cases become the ones who decides who gets to live...i had always beleived nurses took an oath of compassion..but things gett a little colder when insurace cos get involved..im in there..its about money..not about healing or keeping people well..its a bizzness....i know exactly how it all works..

but the conversation really was about prevention.. the smaller non conglomorate farmer usually cares more about his product and the sence of pride he gets from his work..

i find it hard to be cold and objective to somone with a wonderful career.and now permantly disabled with only a peice of an intestine left functioning from a couple peanut butter crackers..

We'll have to agree to disagree. I understand how devastating it can be for the people that have things happen to them. Been a nurse more than 20 years and I've seen my share. Currently I do consulting work and often assist attorneys with estimating long term medical care costs for people who have been injured.

And while it seems horrific when you see individual cases, especially when it is someone you know, the reality is that when you consider how many people come into contact with the same thing all over the United States, a lot of these foodborne/animalborne illnesses are blown incredibly out of proportion.

People lose their objectivity when something negative happens to them or someone they love. It's the nature of being human. The fact remains that we should be looking at what is best for the whole, not for particular individuals. No matter how horrible it may seem to see someone go through something like you mentions. But when people begin to try to force their fears onto others through ridiculous regulations, that's a big problem. Healthcare has been regulated to death and yet we still haven't fixed the problems in healthcare - trying to regulate every bit of everything because of mass hysteria is NOT a very good answer.

 

[Arielle]

THis is why I am all for producing your own food. You care the most about it's quality.

 

[Arielle]

MEdicine is a business.

My neice's husband just started practicing as a dentist. He is $500,000 in debt-- he needs people with teeth issues to come see him to pay $4K a month for his education.

I read a study done in AK about 1935, maybe earlier, looking at the teeth of the indigenous people. A simple study. Determine the foods the people ate on each island. Subsitence or fed government supplemented. Count teeth, count cavities. After reading the raw data I was appalled to see that the people that ate traditional food had about a 5% cavity rate. 5%!!! THose given food from the feds had 40%. WIth our typical AMerican diet no wonder we need a dentist!!

Cook our own meals.Good quality food we can raise ourselves, or make use of CSA's, or local farm stands. Dump the junk. Stop eating out of packages of the processed kind. GIve the bread to the chickens and eat the chickens or the eggs.

Where are the Victoria Gardens from 50 years ago? Who raises a few chickens or rabbits to feed their family? Wedon't need all the breads and high carb foods the food pyramid drills into our head.

 

[aveca]

i did same..once i figured how crooked everything was becomng..cut way back to part time at work..grow and proceess tons of garden goods..never have to run over town after eggs..

wanted food that i wasnt afraid to put in my mouth..