Female duck can not walk anymore

Papaye

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Nov 22, 2023
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Hello.

One of my one-year-old female Indian Runner duck has not been able to walk anymore since this morning at least.

Here she is :

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(Her name is Daphnée.)

What happened is...

...3-days-ago, I noticed Daphnée had very slightly ruffled feathers.

I found it to be weird and tought she was hurting, so I monitored her closely... but eventually, since she actually behaved normally and sounded fine, I did not think she had somehing severe, and thus, she needed me to help her in whatever manner...

Nevertheless, I still was watching her. Just in case...

And yesterday, I found something weird on her : some of her tail feathers were curling up. Like if she was turning into a drake - and yes : I know it is possible...

Obviously, I then believed her problem was she was just changing her gender...
(I don't know how the process goes, and if it is painful...?)


...I have drakes, but since they are separated from the girls for the time being, I have wondered if Daphnée was not turning into a drake by some need for dominance...? I have indeed found, during the last months, she is the kind that mates others hens when hormones are out of control...

But nevetheless, I had no time to get used to this idea.
Indeed, a real problem eventually arised yesterday afternoon : Daphnée started to fall over when walking, and then eventually just stopped following her flock in order to rest...

I of course thought she could have a bumblefoot, so, in the evening, I - surprisingly - easily managed to catch and hold her, and then carefully looked at her feet.
And I found she really suffered from bumblefoot underneath her TWO feet...

Since it was late then, I decided to wait for the morning in order to treat her.

And this morning, I found Daphnée almost entirely paralysed : she could not walk anymore, and tended to sit on her legs and/or to flap her wings when she tried to move.

...I don't think her abscesses can cause such difficulties to walk,
or even such a behaviour (she is not quacking very much anymore, and even though she is afraid of me, she almost let me catch and hold her...).

...What is her actual problem?
(And is she actually turning into a drake?)

And what do I do?


I sadly can not go to the vet for the time being.
(And no vet means no antibiotics.)
Today is just not possible for me; and even if it was, I have to admit I don't have enough money anymore, given I had recently to pay almost 300 EUROS of vet fees... (for kittens that are not even mines...)

...This morning, I still took the initiative to bath Daphnée in a basin with warm water and Epsom Salt - during 35 minutes exactly.
I then tried to determine where her problem is coming from (apart from her feet), but I just could tell she was not hurting anywhere - or maybe in her vent, since when I touched her vent to see if she was not eggbound, she reacted strongly (but I can not tell if it is because of pain or because of hormones)...?

Bathing her was easy, since even though she was afraid (she was trembling), she did not try - or was not able - to get out of the basin...
And after her bath, I could - still - easily dry her with papers, and then put Cade Oil on her (feet) abscesses - in order to eventually dry them so to remove them when possible...

But what can I do better?
What about the fact she can not walk anymore...?

I am keeping her isolated in a run for now, so she has no other choice than to rest...
(And I put Baked Soda in her water, just in case it could help her...)


(...And just to say : I really don't know if she is still laying.)

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...I just came back from the run where I put Daphnée, and I think either the Epsom Salt bath or the fact she is isolated in a small run - or both? - is doing her good : she could stand on her feet again, just now. (But she felt again fast.)

My guess is that your duck got mated a little too roughly.

Thank you for answering!

...That's what I thought first,
since I have two Indian Runner drakes that know how to fly and so, go to the girls sometimes...
...but I don't let them with the girls : as soon as I see them out of their part of the yard, I catch them to put them back.

Thus, for the time being, the drakes are never more than one or two hours a day with the girls... and I don't even think they mate with them then : I just see them walk, eat, and drink with the girls...

So, I finally don't think Daphnée being too roughly mated is even a possibility.
 
Even at 1 yr old a duck can have a niacin deficiency can you get BComplex here in the US we can get. Durvet liquid BComplex it’s for cattle injectable but we use it orally. 1 ml daily. If it could possibly be a niacin def you’d probably know in less than a week after starting her on the BComplex. I have quite a few female ducks that play the role of drake with the drake standing and watching outside of the pool. Hormones make them nutty.
 
Even at 1 yr old a duck can have a niacin deficiency can you get BComplex here in the US we can get. Durvet liquid BComplex it’s for cattle injectable but we use it orally. 1 ml daily. If it could possibly be a niacin def you’d probably know in less than a week after starting her on the BComplex.

Hmmm... among others, she has an unlimited access to a plastic feeder containing food grade Diatomaceous Earth mixed with wheat and duck pellets...
So : could she really have a Niacin deficiency...?

(Does food grade Diatomaceous Earth not prevent Niacin deficiency?
I kind of make my birds eat it IN PART because of that...)

In any case, I will try to get B vitamins.

Looking on the internet, I can only find B12 in liquid format...
B Complex are only sold in pills - but for human use, so much too strong for a duck...

Still, tomorrow, I will try to get LIQUID B Complex from the drugstore. (Hoping they have it.)

Thank you for your help!!

I have quite a few female ducks that play the role of drake with the drake standing and watching outside of the pool. Hormones make them nutty.

Yeah... was so weird the first time I saw my female duck mate with another female duck...!!

I would keep up the epsom salt baths, a couple a day. If it is an injury or niacin deficiency the exercise will help. If bumble foot, the Epsom salt will help. If egg bound, the soaking will help.

I will keep doing the Epsom Salt baths.
At least twice a day...


I would also want to put Green Clay on Daphnée's feet, but I am afraid to bandage her feet and hurt her or whatever would be bad for her...
(Bandaging a duck's foot is not the same than bandaging a chicken's foot.)
(I actually tried to get a pair of shoes for ducks, this morning... at the drugstore... but they could not even find it anywhere.)
 
Daphnée is getting better.

Thanks the Lord I have so much Epsom Salt home, because I'm pretty sure it is what is helping her.

She does not have any ruffled feathers anymore, can preen herself again, and is able to stand on her feet... even though I can't tell if she can stay standing for a long time, since it is evening now, and she is sleeping in her run (and I am not going to wake her up to verify : she needs her sleep).

(Just to say : I monitored her closely today, and I can confirm she still eats and drinks...)

In my opinion, Baked Soda and/or Epsom Salt have been re-energizing Daphnée and healing her fast.

...I have known Epsom Salt can make miracles since I found this video :


I couldn't find any info on DE having niacin in it just mainly silica.
https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1531/diatomaceous-earth

I have learned that food grade Diatomaceous Earth is apparently linked with Niacin, and consuming it would prevent any Niacin deficiency...?

Now, I don't remember the details, or even where I read/heard about it...
(I actually don't either remember what language I learned it from...)

But I know DE is renowned to be good for metabolism, bones, overall health... so I then did not doubt it would also help with Niacin deficiency.

(...Sorry : I can not remember where I came accross this information...!!)

You can use human B complex just crush the pills up and mix into her feed.

Okay.

I trust you know what you are talking about, so I will get B Complex pills (IF I can not find it in liquid format) from the drugstore tomorrow.
Hoping they have it, because buying on the Internet takes just too long to receive the products home...

...I actually don't think Daphnée needs B Vitamins, since she is now doing better than this morning...?
(Would she get better, if it was really a vitamins deficiency... even though I did not give her any B Vitamins...?)

Nevertheless, I think I should have whatever can help home, in case one of my birds needs it fast in the future.

...Thank you!
 
I'm glad Daphne is getting better! I'd just like to add that whenever one of my ducks or geese has problems walking (swollen foot, a limp, etc.) I've found that extra niacin is almost always the answer - the duck/goose is walking normal again within a day or two.
 

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