FERMENTED FEEDS...anyone using them?

[Tikkijane]

Anyone remember what page the study was that showed fermentation level on days 1, 2, and 3? I'm working on an FAQ right now......

 

[Tikkijane]

Anyone remember what page the study was that showed fermentation level on days 1, 2, and 3? I'm working on an FAQ right now......

page 217.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

I agree with you, caponizing normal roos is a wonderful thing but this guy wants to do a CX, what for, so it can have a heart attack? I just don't understand what he thinks he will accomplish by caponizing--do you know. Will they live long enough to grow into turkeys for him. I sure wish I knew how to caponize. I'd do it in a heartbeat. Is it true they then won't crow. I love roos and would do it just to keep more around.

I have 6 very healthy CX 5 week olds right now, they are in my rich soiled garden (>1,000 sq ft) with their own lil coop. They are on FF, feathered so nice--truly the best looking and acting CX we've ever had--they even forage!

I was under the impression that the huge capons at the grocery store ARE Cornish/Rocks.
Maybe I'm wrong.

Oh, yes, most certainly. But they are simply tendencies in most cases. An except would be the color sex-links, I doubt there is any tendency toward a rooster having the hen colors or vice versa. For example, I read in more than one place (including the person whom we got the Cuckoos from) that Cuckoo Maran's are supposed to lay super dark brown eggs (like dark milk chocolate brown) and do not have the broody tendency left. While our "cuckoos" look like the photos I have seen, neither of them lay dark eggs (just normal brown eggs) and BOTH of them are quite broody. In fact, one is sitting on our clutch of hatching silkies as we speak.

I don't have much experience with Marans. More so with dark laying breeds like Welsummers and Penedesencas. My little exposure to Marans tells me that even with excellent lines of extremely dark egg layers, if one doesn't select well and cull hard, they will soon lose that dark egg. Sometimes it will happen in a couple generations.

Okay. What are some red flags to look for in the next few days in their poo? Like how do I know they are having diarrhea or are sick? They all laid an egg today and were very active. Maybe ill make their feed a bit drier also

In almost all cases of illness, there will be more symptoms than just diarrhea.

You are going to think I'm being snide but I'm being quite serious.... I've said it a hundred times before, so I'll say it again.....stop lookin' at poop!

Flock active, eating, bright eyes, laying? Then it's most likely they are fine.

Make the feed thicker, drier and watch the flock. It will all be irie....no worries.

Agreed. There are way more types of normal feces than those that indicate a problem.

 

[grampsjim]

I agree with you, caponizing normal roos is a wonderful thing but this guy wants to do a CX, what for, so it can have a heart attack? I just don't understand what he thinks he will accomplish by caponizing--do you know. Will they live long enough to grow into turkeys for him. I sure wish I knew how to caponize. I'd do it in a heartbeat. Is it true they then won't crow. I love roos and would do it just to keep more around.

I have 6 very healthy CX 5 week olds right now, they are in my rich soiled garden (>1,000 sq ft) with their own lil coop. They are on FF, feathered so nice--truly the best looking and acting CX we've ever had--they even forage!

I'm curious, how is a rooster caponized? ( is that a word?) Does a vet do it? We ended up with a rooster who was supposed to be a pullet. I'm considering taking him back to the seller and trading him for another pullet. He hasn't seemed aggressive to humans yet, though and that's what is concerning me most due to the fact that I have very young grand daughters one of which enjoys being in the coop with them.

 

[Heidisgran]

Quote:
Marans brown coating can be influenced by what they eat...dark green veg can darken the color...I was reading that blue egg layers need copper in their diet to deepen the blue in the shell

 

[LindaB220]

I was under the impression that the huge capons at the grocery store ARE Cornish/Rocks.
Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't have much experience with Marans. More so with dark laying breeds like Welsummers and Penedesencas. My little exposure to Marans tells me that even with excellent lines of extremely dark egg layers, if one doesn't select well and cull hard, they will soon lose that dark egg. Sometimes it will happen in a couple generations.


In almost all cases of illness, there will be more symptoms than just diarrhea.


Agreed. There are way more types of normal feces than those that indicate a problem.

No you are correct. Most of the capons in the stores are CX's. When they are caponized their growth is slowed down for a while. But meat is juicy and tender way up to 13 lbs.

Why do they do it? Grow out time can be extended to 8-10 months.

 

[Tumbleweed Farm]

Quote: The cornish cross in the grocery store are not caponized.

 

[LindaB220]

The cornish cross in the grocery store are not caponized.

No, not normal grocery store chickens. They pay extra to buy the capons.

 

[Tumbleweed Farm]

Quote: Oh, I see--never seen them.

 

[Beekissed]

No you are correct. Most of the capons in the stores are CX's. When they are caponized their growth is slowed down for a while. But meat is juicy and tender way up to 13 lbs.

Why do they do it? Grow out time can be extended to 8-10 months.

We can get that without caponizing them....

Last summer I helped process several CX that big and they were only 15 wks, I do believe. Why capon and grow them out longer when you can get them to those weights in a healthy, slow manner more quickly? They are still young enough to not have issues with hormones and more flavorful than those butchered at a younger age, so why the caponizing, I wonder?