FERMENTED FEEDS...anyone using them?

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  • Anyone doing it? Yes [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]
  • How long have you been doing it? One month, which is how long I've had my chicks. I have 6 hen chicks, each one is a different breed. [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]
  • Your methods? I tried a 2 quart mason jar, but it was too hard to spoon out the feed. Each time I took feed out, I added a similar amount of new feed in to ferment. But when I took out the next scoop it hadn't been in there the full 36 hours to ferment. So, now I use several 24 or 32 ounce mason jars. Each day I empty a jar between the morning and afternoon feeding, and then use the liquid as the starter for the next batch by adding more dry feed enough filtered water to ensure the feed has an inch or more water on top. I have 4 or 5 jars "brewing" at any time. I put a small amount of Probiotic Electrolyte and Lactobacillus powder (I bought it at Tractor Supply) into the jars to start them with the right bacteria. You definitely don't want to use pickle juice, or yeast as they are the wrong type bacteria. I periodically add too much feed and have to take some back out of the jar once it expands. It is vital to keep all the feed submerged so it ferments and doesn't go rancid. [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]
  • Grains/feeds used in this manner? I started with the Chick Starter Feed that I purchased. This fermented nicely and the chicks made the transition quickly. Now I use a variety of grains: oats, barley, wheat berries, bran, flax seeds, wheat germ, sunflower seeds that I buy at the local health food store (I buy organic if the price is acceptable). I try to keep the protein level high enough to ensure good growth. I've also tossed in crushed eggshells, diced vegetable scraps (peppers, spinach, etc) as well as small amounts of home made cooked beans and other food scraps. I read that you can ferment whole hard boiled eggs but I haven't tried that yet. I supplement them with grass clippings, chickweed, and marigold leaves and flowers. I think my girls are a bit spoiled. [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]
  • Your overall review of this method of feeding? I have 6 chicks and they are all thriving. My neighbor has 5 Buff Orpingtons that are about 5 months old now. He complains about the volume, smell and wetness of the poop in his pen, and how much food his girls waste. My chicks' poop is dryer, more formed and a more tolerable smell and volume. I'm pretty sure it's because of the fermented feed. The chicks attack the bowl in the morning even though they've already had access to a small amount of dry feed in their coop. Their feathers are shiny and well oiled. The photo shows them attacking their fermented breakfast. [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]
  • The only thing they like more than the fermented feed is when I dig up any kind of worm or grub from the compost heap. That's like feeding them "crack". [/COLOR]
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1) it DOES NOT need to be covered by water. 2) ferment is better if ypu don't continually refresh as you go. If you wait until you gave a single serving left and then backslop and refresh at night, if your initial ferment was good, it will be ready in the morning.
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  • Anyone doing it? Yes [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]
  • How long have you been doing it? One month, which is how long I've had my chicks. I have 6 hen chicks, each one is a different breed. [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]
  • Your methods? I tried a 2 quart mason jar, but it was too hard to spoon out the feed. Each time I took feed out, I added a similar amount of new feed in to ferment. But when I took out the next scoop it hadn't been in there the full 36 hours to ferment. So, now I use several 24 or 32 ounce mason jars. Each day I empty a jar between the morning and afternoon feeding, and then use the liquid as the starter for the next batch by adding more dry feed enough filtered water to ensure the feed has an inch or more water on top. I have 4 or 5 jars "brewing" at any time. I put a small amount of Probiotic Electrolyte and Lactobacillus powder (I bought it at Tractor Supply) into the jars to start them with the right bacteria. You definitely don't want to use pickle juice, or yeast as they are the wrong type bacteria. I periodically add too much feed and have to take some back out of the jar once it expands. It is vital to keep all the feed submerged so it ferments and doesn't go rancid. [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]
  • Grains/feeds used in this manner? I started with the Chick Starter Feed that I purchased. This fermented nicely and the chicks made the transition quickly. Now I use a variety of grains: oats, barley, wheat berries, bran, flax seeds, wheat germ, sunflower seeds that I buy at the local health food store (I buy organic if the price is acceptable). I try to keep the protein level high enough to ensure good growth. I've also tossed in crushed eggshells, diced vegetable scraps (peppers, spinach, etc) as well as small amounts of home made cooked beans and other food scraps. I read that you can ferment whole hard boiled eggs but I haven't tried that yet. I supplement them with grass clippings, chickweed, and marigold leaves and flowers. I think my girls are a bit spoiled. [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]
  • Your overall review of this method of feeding? I have 6 chicks and they are all thriving. My neighbor has 5 Buff Orpingtons that are about 5 months old now. He complains about the volume, smell and wetness of the poop in his pen, and how much food his girls waste. My chicks' poop is dryer, more formed and a more tolerable smell and volume. I'm pretty sure it's because of the fermented feed. The chicks attack the bowl in the morning even though they've already had access to a small amount of dry feed in their coop. Their feathers are shiny and well oiled. The photo shows them attacking their fermented breakfast. [/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]
  • The only thing they like more than the fermented feed is when I dig up any kind of worm or grub from the compost heap. That's like feeding them "crack". [/COLOR]
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I tried my hand at fermenting some feed for my flock, not sure I did it right. For starters, I don't think the water was enough for the food I put in. It sure smells and when I stir it, bubbles come up to the top. I might toss it and try again, I want to make sure I do it right and don't make anyone sick. 

I owe you guys many thanks for helping me through being a first time chicken mom. I look forward to learning more and hopefully being able to contribute as my knowledge and experience grows.:jumpy


Pics? It sounds fine. It doesn't need to be soupy.
 
I keep mine a lot more liquidy...like apple sauce. Any reason why it should be thicker? I felt like during the summer, it helps provide more water to them too.

eta: I have been raising chickens for 4 yrs (parrots for a few yrs prior) and only started FF 2 years ago.


Thicker is not as sloppy. As long as they have access to fresh water, the "extra" moisture from FF is relatively inconsequential, since they don't need to be fed but twice a day anyhow. I also find mine eat less when it's not as soupy.
 
It's a good thing I subscribe to this list....

I think we have a responsibility to clarify bad/wrong/deliverately misleading information. It's not a "difference of opinion."

If I had an egg bound hen and someone told me ro break it and then scoop out the parts with a spoon, I sure as heck hope someone would counter that information as soon as physically possible. Editing is fine if the bad information gets removed.....

Hi Jane, I keep your link pulled up because I use it several times a day. I do agree that this is the best way.
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http://tikktok.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/fermented-feed-faq/[

quote name="Angiebubs" url="/t/645057/fermented-feeds-anyone-using-them/4590#post_13681519"]OK good to know. So do you make sure the food is covered in water when in the bucket? Then just drain it when serving? Or do you ferment it dryer too? I use their  pellet crumble layer feed and add kelp powder to mine with a handful of scratch now and then to the bucket. I add a scoop of food back to the bucket each day and make sure its covered in water. This has been more of a treat/supplement each morning and evening. For 24 chickens I currently feed probably 6-8 cups each morning and again in the evening?
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Ok so my garage has to be 100 degrees...I backslopped this morning.... I just went to feed the girls and the ff was already bubbling..which is good.. I tend to keep mine drier... If I'm leaving some in there that's fermented already and adding to it weekly, will the new feed ferment in a day, with it being so hot? should I be keeping 2 containers going? I guess they've got acclimated to this heat and they are eating a lot!


Yes. Secondary ferment with backslopping can be ready to feed overnight. Mine bubbles as I mix it, but I kike to let it go overnight at least. If you don't need two buckets, don't worry about it. If you are only backslopping and refreshing weekly, I, personally, would use a single bucket. I use two due to numbers.
 
It's a good thing I subscribe to this list....

I think we have a responsibility to clarify bad/wrong/deliverately misleading information. It's not a "difference of opinion."

If I had an egg bound hen and someone told me ro break it and then scoop out the parts with a spoon, I sure as heck hope someone would counter that information as soon as physically possible. Editing is fine if the bad information gets removed.....


Pics? It sounds fine. It doesn't need to be soupy.

Firstly, I must have missed it, but that quote about the egg bound hen sounds nuts. So glad there are people around to pass the correct information!
Also, I did post a pic, probably a few pages back now.
I gave it to the kids tonight, I think they liked it. lol Ducks didn't touch it.
While I was spending time with them out there, I also got to see this magical sight.
That would be my rooster with his head in a greenhouse planter.
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