Ferruginous Hawk

[deerman]

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Yes if you get busted by the FEDS.

 

[dacjohns]

Thank you deerman.

Users, if you know if something is illegal and you choose to knowingly break the law don't post it here. You are asking for trouble.

Harassment of almost all wild birds in the US is illegal. There are exceptions; legal hunting, starlings, and house sparrows.

 

[Farmer John]

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OH REALLY? I didn't realize protecting your livestock and hunting can be considered the same thing...

Clearly I need to make certain what the rules concerning protecting your live stock in State>USA are.

I need to find out if there's any legal means of deterrence /protection I can provide for my live stock. (ie, shooting something while it's attacking them..etc.).

I sell free range/pastured eggs, not caged/penned eggs, enclosing them is not only unacceptable and cost prohibitive, but would also be false advertisement on my part. I'm not interested in keeping the amount of birds I have penned up either. Maybe I should just kill or sell them and get out of this business... perhaps that's something I should consider if I can't resolve my hawk problem. That's certainly legal, right?

EDIT: I see an administrator took the time to edit my posts. Sorry for that.
I can't find the terms of use. Surely one exists. I guess 'bad words' aren't automatically censored. I thought we were all adults here, but clearly not all. I'd like to apologize again if my colorful language offended anyone. If someone could PM me a link to the TOU, that'd be super.


Further more I had no Idea the BYC was such a hot bed of FBI activity. Maybe that's why our countries security lacks as bad as it does, too many chicken hobbyists in the govt., guess that's another story. I'm aware of certain drug oriented forums which i'd assume as much about.. but seriously.. thanks for the heads up. Good to know LEO has BYC on lock down

Thanks for the help pals.

 

[deerman]

Farmerjohn, sorry but they are protected by federal laws. No matter whats State laws are, Federal laws override state law.


You will find either take the loss of a few chickens, or protect them.

Cant harm any bird of prey ,even in the case of them killing your chickens.

Heck some state have fence laws. Then you cant free range.

Some seller of pastured eggs used moveble chicken tractors.

 

[nnbreeder]

When it comes to birds of prey you have no legal recourse. It's tough I know but as with all ag. endeavers there is risk involved. With grain farmers it's drought, floods, high fuel prices or low commodity prices. A late snow storm can wipe out an entire calf crop. or as with winter two years ago in the Tx. and Ok panhandles a blizzard can kill tens of thousands of cattle.
When you farm you accept the risks involved. That being said people have had luck with dogs as watchers of the flock or running a few of those noisy Guineas, those things will sound an alarm call and everyone goes for cover. Try planting bushes to hide under or build simple a-frames for the birds to hide in.

 

[deerman]

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Just trying to give you the heads up. By the way WELCOME to the forum.

Lots of info here and super nice members.

 

[Farmer John]

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Being a prop 215 patient, I'm well aware that federal laws trump what the people of any given state have voted for. You're preaching to the quire. However, I'm not aware of these fence laws you mention, or if they apply in CA. This is something else i'll have to familiarize myself with. I've considered chicken tractors and they won't work for many reasons other then just being cost prohibitive in the 1st place. I'd need a chicken SEMI, not tractor

. Clearly it depends on what they're worth to me.

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I've read up on Guineas, but I heard they can be not even worth the protection. Hawks are one thing, noise complaints are another. I've heard they never shu..., i mean, be quiet. Having a LGDog is also cost prohibitive, and I'd rather have a black Labrador anyways. My hens have numerous hiding spots.. these hawks are just vicious though, they stalk my flock until one (the rooster) moved. That was after they already took out the BR hen. Maybe my birds are too dull, no, but really, they had no chance other then staying in the hen house all day.
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I appreciate the heads up. Also, thanks for the welcome, as you can see I've been lurking for over a year.






What if the hawk attacks me? Then can I kill it? Who is to say otherwise?



JUST KIDDING!

 

[nnbreeder]

You might start by asking your local fish and game dept what their suggestions are. Since that prop. passed you are not the only one in this situation. You may be able to qualify for grants or cost sharing from the USDA also for improvements to your operation.

 

[Farmer John]

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Yea i'll hittup fish and game and see what the word is.
Grants,cost sharing, and improvements to my operation sound DOPE!

 

[nnbreeder]

Have you tried the Ca. Poultry federation? The members there might have some solutions.
http://www.cpif.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1