First attempt, and Narragansett turkeys at that!

WalnutHill

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Greetings, I am new here, and coming to the collective knowledge of the community to help me with successful hatches of artificially incubated Narragansett turkey eggs.

I have several challenges:
1. I live in Michigan, and the eggs I've gathered for the past several weeks have all been subjected to very cold temperatures between the time they have been laid, and the time they have been collected. Some have probably been frozen.
2. I have one hen and one tom, and they are both around 10 months old, so this is a "first time" experience for them. Mrs. Turkey has no broody tendencies right now, she lays her egg on a high shelf in the coop, above the chicken nest boxes, and walks away.
3. With only one hen, the eggs have been collected for a week or more at a time before setting.
4. I am using untried, cheap Little Giant foam incubators. One with forced air and turner, the other just the wire grid and cheesecloth (for lockdown).

The first batch of six eggs was collected over two weeks, and set in a cool bathroom 62* F. I wasn't aware at that time that turning the eggs during storage was recommended. I candled each egg for cracks and then set them in a refrigerator egg tray, pointy end down. A few of the shells had uneven calcium deposition, with very evident thin and thick spots.

I set those first six eggs on February 15th. Five were active at 10 days. Three were active at 14 days. Two were active at 21 days and again at lockdown. One is now active, and the hatch is one day overdue and counting. Incubator temps showed at 99-100 with a dual probe meat thermometer, and weight loss at each candling was consistent with air sac expansion and a total 14% loss over 24 days. Instead of filling the bottom water reservoirs, I used a tilesetter's sponge sliced in half thickness-wise, and resoaked in warm water about twice a week, at which time they were fairly dry. These rest on the turner bars.

The next set of five eggs were all gathered within a week. Three made it to 21 days and will be locked down on Tuesday.

The next set of four eggs show three active at 14 days.

The following two sets of four eggs each are too early to be sure with the thick and spotted shells of turkey eggs.

Only two eggs showed absolutely no sign of embryo development, they were probably frozen. Three have shown the blood ring, and the others showed visible embryo development but just quit moving and growing.

Eggs suspected as not developing are removed to the far corner of the incubator. So far, none have been "smelly" or they would have been removed immediately. My dog's nose confirms, as he is a big fan of stinky things to roll in. As eggs are removed, the eggs are shifted to fill the empty spaces. The egg racks are filled sequentially, every other space

I don't know why my first poult is so late to come into the bigger world. I hear no pipping, no peeping at 29 days. The lockdown box is at 98 degrees at egg height and is nice and moist but not quite tropical sogginess.

Out of 16 eggs where development can be confirmed, I've lost 6. What may I be doing wrong, and why is my hatch so late?

Thanks in advance!

P.S. I just did an egg-topsy on the egg that has shown no activity since I last candled at day 21. The poult was well developed, had all external body parts in the correct proportions, was properly positioned, had consumed a good deal of yolk and had left behind a considerable amount of waste. I would be happy to share the photo outside this forum if anyone would care to comment and suggest upon it.

Live streaming egg cam here: http://tinyurl.com/lmd84g8
 
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I woke up this morning to find no more progress with my single egg hatch, and chirps and taps were met with no response. So I candled, found the blood vessels had receded, and found my hygrometer was lying...the air in lockdown had dried considerably. Feeling the chick may be in distress, as I could see the beak moving side to side with no progress made on internal pip, I opened the shell and external membrane to expose the air chamber. Sure enough, the poor little guy/gal was stuck behind a thick, dry inner membrane and bulging at the seams. The right wing was facing the air cell, the head just above and tucked down. What I had thought was a beak trying to get through the membrane when candling was, in reality, the right wing. I gently moistened the membrane, placed a damp paper towel over the open shell end, and raised the humidity in the hatcher.

Update: my incubator cam showed that the poult had stopped moving. A gentle touch yielded no response. So I again acted against my knowledge that nature knows best, and pinched the membrane above the chick. It had the consistency of balloon rubber. I tore the membrane, and untucked the beak from below the left wing (far side). I believe that is a malposition... Hurray! The beautiful little beak opened and the first breaths of air began.

I made a small slit in the damp paper towel, exposed the beak, covered the rest of the shell, and have resumed lockdown at humidity levels yielding slight condensation. At this point, I will again stop being "helpful" and let the poor little one finish the hatching process unless there is evident distress. There is a very small amount of blood seepage, so I may have done more harm than good even though this is day 30. But I think the head on the wrong side would ultimately have been fatal.
 
My poor little turkey passed. Even though he was two days late and too big for his shell and in the wrong position, he still wasn't quite ready for the outside world. I will never know if he would have made it on his own, but I am certain that my attempts to help him failed.

I have three more eggs going into lockdown tomorrow. Can someone who has hatched turkeys comment on the membrane of this poor chick? That external membrane was more like a turtle egg shell than a bird egg shell liner. It was thick, tough, tan and rubbery.
 
Well, looks like no help from this group. So I put the next three in lockdown with weight loss from 14-17% (loss varies in my incubator depending on position in the turner...those in the corners lose more than those in the center). I'll be waiting and watching now. Air cells are in the best position and shells are marked. Three poults with a lot of activity and room to move around. Let's see how it goes. I will let these stay in lockdown until they come out or don't, on their own.
 
So sorry for the loss of your first batch. I have only hatched a few turkeys. They are difficult. It sounds like from what you describe from the one that passed is that the humidity is too low during incubation.
 
Humidity is a challenge in Michigan at this time of year. My office, where the incubator is, is a steady 62F and 30% RH. I lost more moisture than I expected the past few days, leaving these eggs underweight, though the air cell is not excessively large. I can raise the humidity in the bator to 50% but anything higher has so far proven impossible to maintain. In the lockdown bator, which is a new style Little Giant, it has a better fitting lid yet sucks up an amazing amount of water. There is no way I can leave it shut for lockdown and maintain humidity with open vents.

Once spring thaw comes, humidity will be the least of my worries!
 

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