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I agree with this! I've seen first hand how these folks are treated in some cases. Its sad, but the layering of responsibility is the blame for the whole shebang. You would think the government would wisen up but, then, I don't think they even want to....not as profitable in some cases.
 
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I agree with this! I've seen first hand how these folks are treated in some cases. Its sad, but the layering of responsibility is the blame for the whole shebang. You would think the government would wisen up but, then, I don't think they even want to....not as profitable in some cases.

So why do the illegals keep coming here to work? Because even if it's not always the best of conditions or wages, it's still way better than what they had at home!!! I don't believe that any one is putting a gun to their head and making them come here. They come because there are, despite what some people say, a whole slew of jobs that no one here wants to do anymore and they are willing to come and do them!! My working conditions stink a lot of times too. Driving grain trucks with no AC when the heat index is 110+, going out to check heifers who are calving when the windchill is way below zero, working out side when you can't hardly stand up because of the wind. Do I always enjoy it...no, but that is the job we have chosen to pursue and believe me we don't make much doing it either a good portion of the time...in fact it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the illegals probably don't have a bigger paycheck than we do!!
 
Yep, that's the problem. Our government gets too much money from it. Many of the top people in our government have extremely close ties with multi-national food companies or the FDA.

People will have to change this.... we changed it 60 years ago... we can change it again. One meal at a time.

Some people say "well you can't feed the world this way". Well we should be able to feed more than 5% of our population by sustainable farming. It is a trend that is growing and organics and sustainable farming isn't going away anytime soon. If we could get 20% of the population think of all of the employed farmers you now have that are making money...

Follow me for a bit here:
1. According to the latest U.S. Census data, the City of Cleveland is home to about 438,000 people.

2. According to organic gardening guru John Jeavons, it's possible to grow enough food to feed one person year-round on about 4,000 square feet - about one-tenth of an acre. This is assuming a 6 month growing season (which we can extend considerably using simple, relatively inexpensive technologies).

3. 438,000 people x 4,000 sq ft = 1.75 billion sq ft = 40,000 acres (to feed the entire population)

4. 10% of 40,000 acres = 4,000 acres


So in order to feed 10% of Cleveland's population locally we would need to devote around 4,000 acres of land to community gardens and urban farms..

You would see a lot more local farms popping up throughout the country if people demanded this type of food. The demand has to be there first. Say the average farm is 20 acres... thats 200 farms that are making decent money from produce alone.... imagine if those farms raised chicken, beef, or even pork? It is doable, hard, but doable.
 
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That's the thing, isn't it? People complain about illegal immigration all of the time, but they also want cheap food. So in order to provide cheap food, the big companies turn a blind eye to the fact that their subsidiaries are hiring illegal immigrants to cheaply produce cheap food, which they can do because of all of the subsidies and lack of regulation they're getting from the government. So the government has little incentive to remove illegal immigrants from the country. It's a lovely cycle of self-perpetuating nastiness.
 
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That's exactly it... the government and these handfull of companies dont' want things to change. Why would they? They make a few arrest here and there to make it look legite. But in reality, if the government wanted they could shut down immigration over night. But how many companies are going to be hurt from it? How much money would be lost?

How is going to effect the economy? It would be devastating... Billions of dollars are tossed around between these companies and the government and they don't mind spending millions to keep the status quo....
 
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I agree with this! I've seen first hand how these folks are treated in some cases. Its sad, but the layering of responsibility is the blame for the whole shebang. You would think the government would wisen up but, then, I don't think they even want to....not as profitable in some cases.

So why do the illegals keep coming here to work? Because even if it's not always the best of conditions or wages, it's still way better than what they had at home!!! I don't believe that any one is putting a gun to their head and making them come here. They come because there are, despite what some people say, a whole slew of jobs that no one here wants to do anymore and they are willing to come and do them!! My working conditions stink a lot of times too. Driving grain trucks with no AC when the heat index is 110+, going out to check heifers who are calving when the windchill is way below zero, working out side when you can't hardly stand up because of the wind. Do I always enjoy it...no, but that is the job we have chosen to pursue and believe me we don't make much doing it either a good portion of the time...in fact it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the illegals probably don't have a bigger paycheck than we do!!

I agree with you... nobody wants to work those jobs under those conditions. But, if you stop these illegals coming in and start cracking down on the companies that hire them then you will get workers to fill their spots.... legal americans that need a paycheck. There are millions of hard working americans in this country that would gladly take their place.

You know what though?.... If these companies lost all of their cheap labor... than what? They would have to take a little bit from the billions of profit they make each year and pay better wages. That's as simple as it gets. Money in this country talks... you pay better you get more people interested. And when I say pay better I mean go from $7.50 an hour to $9.50 an hour. That's not killing the industry by raising their wages by $2.00 an hour? Come on would you want to work at those place for $7.50 an hour?

I doubt you make less then they do because the labor providers or temp agencies that bring these workers to the plants get thier cut too! So in reality they workers are making close to $5.75 an hour. That amount of money goes a long way in Mexico though. These workers have no rights.... period. They can't negotiate wages or even complain about their being no toilet paper in the bathrooms. Basically if you talk or raise a fuss, your replaced. Simple as that.
 
Yep, and what can we do about it? Not a lot. But not nothing.

We can:
1. Spread the word
2. Pay more attention to who we're buying from, and
3. Vote against all of these subsidies, and support politicians who oppose them, whenever possible.

That's about it, so far as I can tell.
 
They keep coming here to work because they feel its better than where they live now. Despite living a life on the run, of duplicity, of being treated with suspicion and ridicule by us Americans....they still feel its better than home. Kind of makes you wonder what home is like, huh?

They get paid less, but they don't pay taxes on it....but they do not get Worker's Comp if they slice off an appendage, but they don't really have to pay to get it sewn back on. They are far from home, and if deported, often are in trouble when they go through the border because they do not have any papers to re-enter the country.

I don't really know what drives them to come here....a dream for a better life? A misplaced fantasy or is it really better? I'm not sure. I do know this...they will deport the sick, the females and unemployed illegals way quicker than they target the working males. Go figure, huh?
 
I've been following this thread with interest as it is something that I'm working toward living out as best as I can. I think that the key to this is knowledge and the moral fortitude to swim against the tide. The system is a mess, from how we produce our food to how we treat our labor.

I'm not entirely sure that I buy the argument that these jobs are so horrible that Americans won't do them. Plenty of Americans did these jobs in the era between slavery and the influx of illegal immigration in recent decades. Often, these jobs were done by teens who were working to help support their families or by men who needed to work extra jobs in order to bring in enough to live. My husband and his cousins ALL picked berries in the summer months. Did they make a lot of money? No. But, they did it anyway because it was an opportunity to earn an income in the summer months. Every single one of these men now have advanced degrees - two with PhD's, one with a Masters, and one with a BA. They're doctors, scientists, teachers, and managers. It was NOT beneath them to do this.

I think the problem starts with how the powerful treat the powerless. As long as we justify that someone is beneath us for whatever reason, we can justify the way that we treat them. Do these jobs HAVE to be as perilous as they are or are their ways to honor the dignity of every human being, no matter their status in life, by providing them with a safe environment in which to work?

So, what to do? Why don't YOU start a community garden? It's not always as hard to do as it seems. We did just that last spring, on a 1/4 acre weed lot at the back of our church parking lot. It's planted in fruit trees, herbs, and vegetables. Those who work it are free to take what they NEED and there is no charge to participate. The rest is split - with a portion offered to anyone who wants to donate toward the support of the garden and a weekly supply is taken to a local homeless shelter so that we can share with those who are struggling. The donations support the cost of running the garden and everyone shares in the work.

Even in crowded So Cal where I live, I see plenty of plots that could be used for this purpose. I hope that someday these will sprout up with good things to eat, grown organically and using sustainable methods. We who care can be the flag bearers of this new trend. We just need to step out of the system, pester our representatives, and DO something ourselves. And, most of all, we need to stand up for those who are powerless to do so. They may not have rights, but WE do, and we should use them for the good of all humankind.
 
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