Frostbite/Ventilation Question

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We have five 8 month old hens/pullets living in an unheated coop in Maine. The weather has been terribly cold lately since around Christmas, and the winds can be downright terrible. The coop does not allow any wind to blow anywhere near the roosting area. I don't have exactly 1 sq ft of ventilation per bird (more like 0.8 sq ft), but the ventilation is strategically laid out with upper and lower venting to maximize draft-free air flow, so I didn't think I had a ventilation problem. The coop has a shed roof and vents at the peak (along with indirect cold air inlets) so I thought I had a good design...

Two girls have full sized single combs (both barred Plymouth rocks) and all comb tips are showing signs of frostbite. But even the two pullets (same age, but they haven't started laying yet) have TINY single combs (not even 1/2 inch tall to the tips, an australorp and Rhode Island red) yet even those are now showing signs of cold stress, too.

We have not hardly had any daytime highs above single digits (deg F) for a couple weeks. The lowest overnight temp (so far) was -18 deg F. Winds are frequently brutal but these goof balls really dislike being in their coop during the day (even with it's warm welcoming light switched on) and would rather be outside - even if it's bitterly cold. So we built them a lean-to shelter out of a garden window and they can hang out in the run outside, but the shelter doesn't let the wind hit them. However it is VERY well ventilated. Only on the most brutal days do they linger in the coop for an extra hour in the morning or turn in 30 minutes early for the night...

There is a heated waterer in their coop that they use. It never freezes (except overnight when I swap the heated one out with an unheated one just before the get ready for bed; the unheated one is fine for one last drink session before roosting. The heated one is stored in the house and I place it back in the coop every morning before they get up). We also check on them every 30-90 minutes throughout the day (depending on conditions) and offer them water by hand each time. Sometimes they drink, sometimes they're not interested. All that to say the SHOULD be well hydrated. The layers continue to lay most every day in this very brutal weather, for instance.

Yet in the mornings they often have a noticeable amount of frost on the outsides of their shoulder feathers. So the questions:

1.) Does the frost on their feathers indicate I have inadequate ventilation in their coop? If they sleep with their heads under their wings I couldn't imagine how they would NOT get frost there in these cold temps. But then their combs should be protected, I'd think.
2.) They have no older hens to teach them and we've never kept chickens before. Could it be they don't know to tuck their heads under their wings all night, every night? They almost never have their heads tucked in when we check on them on the roost each night (though they usually have only been on the roost for 5-10 minutes). Overnight lows dropped from upper/mid-twenties (deg F) to -10 deg F in two nights. Daytime highs dropped from above freezing to single digits in the same period. They didn't get a lot of time to acclimate!
3.) Could this fast cold snap combined with young age be a factor in the combs' susceptibility to frostbite?

Note their wattles are in pristine condition. We had been "conditioning" the barred rocks combs with a light coating of melted coconut oil every other day since we got concerned about cold stress (details below). Once we saw the smaller combs exhibiting cold stress we started conditioning those, too. But the comb tips still seem to be on a downward trend. We're now stepping up to trying to condition every day instead of every other day.

Any thoughts? I would have thought the coop ventilation adequate.

The only mistake I can see that we made was unfortunately we didn't realize dry combs are more susceptible to frost bite. So we didn't start applying coconut oil until after the barred rock comb tips started looking real pale; perhaps 2-3 days after we first noticed the paleness beginning? We didn't repeat that mistake with the smaller combs. However ever since we started moisturizing the barred rocks, the tips continued to get paler... now the very tips have gone black. So I can't imagine they won't lose some tips as the temperatures are probably just going to get colder for the rest of the month. We are monitoring them closely for any signs of infection. Apart from the coconut oil, I'm at a loss of what else we can do. Thanks in advance!
 
I am not an expert but I will offer two tips.
Dont leave water in the coop over night. It adds to the overall humidity level in the ambient air. They breath it in and exhale warm moist air. Which then becomes water vapor which rises some but then settles on and around them.
Also switch to something other than coconut oil which is great for many things but
it liquified too easily. Switch to bag balm, vasaline, even carmex lip ointment. These products should stay on their combs better.

*Also consider getting out your drill and creating holes along the top line of your coop to allow for more ventilation.
 
I am not an expert but I will offer two tips.
Dont leave water in the coop over night. It adds to the overall humidity level in the ambient air. They breath it in and exhale warm moist air. Which then becomes water vapor which rises some but then settles on and around them.
Also switch to something other than coconut oil which is great for many things but
it liquified too easily. Switch to bag balm, vasaline, even carmex lip ointment. These products should stay on their combs better.

*Also consider getting out your drill and creating holes along the top line of your coop to allow for more ventilation.

I appreciate the feedback, stacyj, thank you! I'll certainly take the first point under advisement. The reasons I haven't done so already: on the coldest nights the coop waterer is unheated and it's ice crust forms very quickly. The heated waterer is thermostatically controlled just to keep the water from freezing and it's not a submersible heater (so I figured it's contribution to the coop's humidity is very low as the coop volume ~150 cu ft). Also the waterers are enclosed HDPE buckets with horizontal nipples. Very little water surface area is exposed to the coop's air.

I've found far more reports saying petroleum jelly solutions do not work at all versus the minority of reports that say petroleum jelly does work. The important nay-sayers are BYC folks in Maine and farther north in Canada where conditions are near or (sometimes far) worse than mine. I haven't come across a report from someone in those places that actually advocates for jelly. Let's see what other folks think?

Incidentally the coconut oil actually hasn't liquefied on their tips. That's probably an indication of how poor the circulation is! It's readily absorbed in the body of the comb (doesn't drip or run - we just rub a thin coat on), and the comb bodies look great. I will consider the petroleum jelly solution based on the feedback I get and our ongoing research...

As for the coop itself, I'll offer some more details in case that helps:

There are vents all along the top of the coop following the roof line. Each can be shuttered as needed based on prevailing wind conditions (they are never all open at once except in the heat of the summer). As I said it probably works out to about 0.8 sq ft per bird in whatever venting configuration I chose (it depends on the local weather and can change daily) and this ventilation numbers is comprised of both the venting along the roof as well as indirect cold air venting at the floor of the coop.

The roosts are midway up the coop height to ensure 1.) no wind that directly into a vent can reach the roosts and 2.) they have 70-80 cubic feet of air above their heads that is directly vented out following the shed roof line to mitigate moisture buildup in the air in their immediate vicinity.

I'm willing to do coop modifications if needed, but that would require a detailed discussion of my coop design (and the fickle weather patterns in my area).
 
For posterity's sake I'll post a final conclusion.

All birds ended up getting frostbitten comb tips. Our moisturizing practice was too little to late to prevent it. But once we increased our coconut oil regimen it kept the problem from getting out of hand. I think it works great and next year we will apply it earlier and more often (daily) as needed.

3 of the 5 with the very-undeveloped combs had minuscule portions of one or two tips that were lost. The two barred rocks had severe frostbite to all the tips of their single comb. The smaller of the two birds has already lost all her tips and her comb is healing up nicely. The one with the large comb has lost two of five tips and these are significant amounts of flesh to lose. She still has three to tips lose and has developed some swelling below the already-lost tips. I created a thread for this development.

We've been monitoring the swelling for three days. It shows no signs of infection and has begun to subside. We will have to continue to watch as the remaining tips drop off.

We've learned a lot this year and hope to do better next year. The 3 that have yet to fully grow their combs will be a good test.
 
Post-script: The comb swelling subsided with no issue. All dead tissue has fallen away. They are healing up very nicely!

CLARIFICATION ON MOISTURIZING: Not only were we too late in starting the regimen, we didn't apply enough of it. Any time their combs or wattles get pale and start getting that dry, white scaly appearance we apply it. Depending on the temps that could be every 1-3 days. We melt it in the house and take it out... one person holds a chicken while the other person applies and gently rubs in the oil.

You'll see the scaly white vanish and the skin should become more flushed and pliable. At it's worst we had parts of combs that felt like leather. But with enough oil and some gentle rubbing those segments would become supple again.

We did get dribbles of oil on the top of their head's feathers occasionally. This was because the person applying had to hold the oil container, too, so we were moisturizing a free-moving chicken head with one hand only. Dust would cling to those bits following bathing. I'm not sure that's of any concern. But if it is the person applying would just need to find a convenient stand for the oil container.
 

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