Oh, I meant to tell you all, we have close friends who have a small place in the wilds of northern Michigan. Every year they spend their summers up there working on it. Their goal is to live totally off the grid. They've dug a well and added solar heating and plan on raising chickens. She's retiring at the end of the year and he's going to do the same in May so we may be losing them in OK soon - sob. But they absolutely love MI. Small world...