Gender nomenclature when describing breeding crosses

[The Moonshiner]

Would be nice if there was a common way...to avoid all that extra typing
I've always used male x female...guess I better stop doing that and add more detail.

Male X female is the only way I've ever heard it was supposed to be and that's in poultry, dogs, horses etc.
I thought that was the point so it was a given and that's why it worked.
If its changed now then makes the whole system null and void.
D@mn, no more writing the short version. No more hearing "baby its cold outside" on the radio.
What's this world coming to?

 

[aart]

I thought that was the point so it was a given and that's why it worked. If its changed now then makes the whole system null and void.

Same here, not sure it's actually changed.

 

[centrarchid]

There is ideally logic behind which system used. Pecker in pants of author most likely reason for male first. I like female first because in most situations that is side most likely known. Male side can be less known, especially when internal fertilization is involved.

Harem system of breeding would be logic behind male first nomenclature. In critters like honey bees, female side obviously should come first because all bees have that, while only females have direct male parentage.

It may come down to precedence, which system was used first.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Why's that really matter?
Makes no difference if author had an innie or an outie or which side is listed first.
It is just as easy to look at the last half as it is to look at the first half.
If the female is more important in a certain situation then concentrate on the last half.
If male isn't known or is uncertain then shouldn't be listed or listed with a question mark. Still doesn't matter that its first.
The only thing that matters is consistency
If it is changed it is a nonworking system from then on.
No need to look for reasons to fix something that isn't broken let alone try fixing something that isn't broken and end up ruining it completely.

 

[aart]

Terminology can be different in different scenarios and arenas.
Mostly interested in the poultry world here(obvs).
Hoping more long time chicken breeders/showers chime in on this,
I know there's more than few on BYC(tho many have left due to backyard hatchery 'breeders') but not familiar enough with them to tag them.

 

[centrarchid]

This exact argument has played out among scientist back in the 1980's and 1970's. The convention they came to follow has the gender sequence specified early in the manuscript. That was essential because some to the logic had to consider variations in ploidy and more than two species (not just strains) involved in the hybrids.

If the majority desires males come first, then let it be. I will change. If that is not good enough, then we settle through physical violence where I will win and gals will come first and someone will need to go back and edit all the "wrong" post or issue some sort of decree.

 

[EggWalrus]

I've always heard "male over female", iow, male x female. It's been a standard for 100s of years. It works and everyone knows what it means. If some one doesn't know, they need an education, and to quit trying to make everyone else start using their non standard nomenclature.
Just my opinion...

 

[aart]

Let's not ARGUE...Please, be nice!

 

[centrarchid]

I've always heard "male over female", iow, male x female. It's been a standard for 100s of years. It works and everyone knows what it means. If some one doesn't know, they need an education, and to quit trying to make everyone else start using their non standard nomenclature.
Just my opinion...

This will be my last post on the issue. I am educated to the extreme with it on my sleeve (Piled Higher and Deeper) and have published involving animals where direction of cross was indicated in manuscript. Female side of lineage came first in backcrossed interspecies hybrid. In other journals, the opposite is true.

I AM THE ONE THAT STIMULATED THE START OF THIS DISCUSSION BY WAY OF @aart. Settle down so we can get our panties out of our butts!

 

[EggWalrus]

No need to look for reasons to fix something that isn't broken let alone try fixing something that isn't broken and end up ruining it completely.

Unfortunately, there are some people in this world who aren't happy unless they are changing everything constantly just to be changing things. They call it progress, even if it retards advancement.