Genetics of Auburn Javas?

[Poultry Friend]

Could anyone tell me what the genetics of these birds might be?
http://www.behlfarm.com/blogengine.net/page/Auburn-Java-Chickens.aspx

I am thinking Ml? Would that be with e+?

I was thinking of trying to breed some laced Java's. If these birds are Ml, would I have to breed in Pg?

Also, what would I have to breed in to get some blue Java's?

 

[Poultry Friend]

Thinking of using a Blue Laced Red Wyandotte to breed in the blue lacing. Is the conformation of the Wyandotte that much different then the Java? From what I can see, they arn't that different, and I will be breeding back to pure Javas until they were pure again (or as close to it as I can come) but I would rather not have to correct to many conformation faults by using a breed vastly different from the Javas.

 

[nicalandia]

Could anyone tell me what the genetics of these birds might be?
http://www.behlfarm.com/blogengine.net/page/Auburn-Java-Chickens.aspx

I am thinking Ml? Would that be with e+?

I was thinking of trying to breed some laced Java's. If these birds are Ml, would I have to breed in Pg?

Also, what would I have to breed in to get some blue Java's?

this birds(Auburn) Javas seem to bee poorly spangled bird, seems like the Pg-Ml-Db linkage has not been stablished, they seem to be based on eb(partridge brown)

 

[nicalandia]

the poor spangling shown by this birds reminds me of spangling breeding projects, like the appaloosa wyandotte breeding project, the appaloosa are based on silver ofcourse, the Auburn are based on gold

http://www.sedgwickcommon.co.uk/Spangled Appaloosa Wyandottes.htm




and this is how they should look like when finished(Auburn Javas)

like the Thuringer baardhoen(with no beard ofcourse)


http://www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/ph...Thuringer_baardhoen_Goudzwartgetoept_haan.jpg

 

[nicalandia]

now after further research the Auburn phenotype seem to resemble some secilian buttercups...


http://www.poultryconnection.com/forums/showthread.php?1307-Recreated-Buttercups

 

[Poultry Friend]

If I got some of these birds, what would I need to do to get them laced? Would I need to introduce the Pg gene? Would I just select for birds with better spangling?

 

[nicalandia]

If I got some of these birds, what would I need to do to get them laced? Would I need to introduce the Pg gene? Would I just select for birds with better spangling?

the Pg gene is already there(Db/Pg/Ml) you would need to get rid of Db and select for better lacing

 

[Poultry Friend]

How can I get rid of the Db?

 

[nicalandia]

How can I get rid of the Db?

by introducing a none Db breed of Javas..! say if you cross it to a black java and then breed the F1s together

 

[Poultry Friend]

How will that work since all the Auburns come from blacks. I thought since they were able to breed the Auburns out of the blacks that meant the blacks carry Db. Is my logic flawed? Wouldn't that just result in black birds again?